Obama Camp Defends Fundraiser Remarks — But Just The Uncontroversial Ones

His rivals wasted no time in attacking Barack Obama for comments made at a San Francisco fundraiser last weekend, and newly reported on the Huffington Post, in which he seemed to disparage working class people in Pennsylvania and across the Midwest — as Hillary Clinton and John McCain’s campaign both called Obama “out of touch” just minutes after the remarks came to light.

Talking about small rust belt towns that are still run down despite promises of renewal from Bush and Clinton administrations, Obama told the crowd “it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to the people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

But in a statement, the Obama campaign ignored the controversial portion of his remarks about God, Guns, and Xenophobia — defending instead his widely accepted claim that people in the rust belt have had it pretty rough for the last few decades. Spokesman Tommy Vietor released a statement saying “Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities.”

Vietor ignored Clinton’s attacks altogether, but lashed out at John McCain’s campaign for calling Obama out of touch — saying “if John McCain wants a debate about who’s out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent.”

Of course, when McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt said Obama’s remarks showed “an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” he was talking about the ones that the campaign’s statement ignored.

UPDATE: The Obama campaign urges reporters to look at the remarks in context. You can read the transcript provided by the Huffington Post after the jump.

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is — so, we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide health care for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.

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Comment by Shelby

My obsession rages on…

Throughout this election, it has become my obsession to say as many negative things about Mike Huckabee as my imagination can come up with. My vehement hatred for the man all stems from one question that he casually posed to a NY Times reporter (who claimed to know a lot about Mormonism) about whether or not Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. As a Mormon, I do believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. However, my bishop (at the ward I attend) instructs us to conceal such ‘deeper doctrines’ because people outside of the LDS Church just don’t understand such truths, and their unwillingness to accept them only jeopardizes our attempts to market ourselves as a Christian religion. In any event, I will go on hating Huckabee for a million eternities, because I am so insecure in my own faith that I have no other choice but to hate him with a demonic passion. Instead, as a temple-worthy Mormon (complete with magic underpants), I support wholeheartedly and without reservation my fellow cult member, Mitt Romney. If only he were elected President (or at least Vice President) then maybe my false religion would gain some credibility and people would no longer think us as a cult. Of course, you bozos in Eldorado, Texas are complicating matters greatly by actually following the teachings of our founder/prophet, Joseph Smith. Us mainline Mormons are smart enough to hide the less attractive aspects of our religion (such as polygamy, our aspirations to godhood, secret temple ceremonies including the handshake that gets you into heaven, magic underwear, etc.) instead of flaunting them like this splinter group of Mormons in Texas.

All Mormons (and others of equally deficient IQs), I would encourage you to follow my lead…
Say it with me…

HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…

The more often you repeat this mantra (as is the case when you bear your testimony as a Mormon), the more convinced you will become of its truthfulness. Say it a few times and see if, you too, do not get a burning feeling in your bosom to verify its validity.

[...] UPDATE: FNC’s Aaron Bruns reports the first Obama campaign semi-response: “Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities. And if John McCain wants a debate about who’s out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent,” Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said. [...]

Comment by R E O SPEEDWAGON

Once again Obama is trying to cover his ASS and the flock will believe him and walk off the cliff.

Comment by Truth

Obama has shown me the light when Reverend Wright spouts anti American rhetoric it is because of mistreatment in past so it is justified but the people who have lost their jobs and had hardships for 25 years they are bitter. Thank you for the illumination great uniter.

Comment by Fae

SO WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!!! HONEST I AM STILL LAUGHING!!
YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THE GUYS AT FOX NEWS LOOK SO HOT!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xhJnXl4kIA

Comment by OBAMA THE GREAT LIAR

Yes sir Obama THe Magic Negro and his media cult can sabotage the democratic nomination. But he will never get his durty hands on the white house because every one of us hillary’s supporters will vote for Mc Cain not out of anger Because “WE KNOW BETTER” and this “Magic Negro” is running out of excuses.

Comment by R E O SPEEDWAGON

LOL FAE….Love it, FUNNY

Comment by ShowMeSt

R E O SPEEDWAGON,

Are you guys still together? I heard it from a friend that you had dissolved.

Comment by HILL FAN

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xhJnXl4kIA

THANKS FAE

VERY NICE SLAP ON THESE WOMANIZERS FACE WHO BASH WOMEN

Comment by R E O SPEEDWAGON

TO SHOWME ST…..NAY still alive just a little older LOL

Comment by HILL FAN

CNN is so FUC**KED. While Hillary gained 3 new superdelegates this week they raised Obamas # an NOT hers. CNN are a bunch of losers!

Comment by Shelby

Hi, everyone! I’m back!
Don’t have to go to Denny’s tonight - decided to call in sick (raging, contagious yeast infection).
How’s everyone out there in blogoworld?

Comment by HILL FAN

Young men & women beware. These evil media men and their surrogates are manipulating you.
They want you to find fault with the most qualified candidate for president. They want you to show disrespect for a woman who has fought her whole life for all Americans- men, women, kids, whites& all minorities. Don’t be fooled by insignificant negative media press on Hillary. They want to blow up her negatives and downplay her positives including the endorsement of 2.9 million nurses & 30+ military brass.

Comment by HILL FAN

Obama doesn’t want a new vote in Michigan or Florida because he knows he would surely lose he’s a shamefull coward just like Obama’s pastor racist Rev Jeremiah Wright. This man is one Of Obama’s hero’s mentors of over 20 years, where Obama brings his kids, shame on him. And shame on any American for supporting him. He’s a fake, hypocrite, dont let the media or CNN fool you. They give Obama bias coverage because they feel sorry for him. And they’re spellbound!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xhJnXl4kIA

Comment by barbara e

It seems like we are always taking things out of context when it comes to Obama. Maybe Obama just says what he really means. The poor white people, they have to turn to religion when things get and become bigots and oh my god they want guns. Watch out American the people out of jobs just might go to church and then go shoot someone. This guy needs to get out of here. What a jerk.

Comment by American Conservative

Comment by HILL FAN
April 11th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Young men & women beware. These evil media men and their surrogates are manipulating you.
They want you to find fault with the most qualified candidate for president.

…………

Who’s finding fault with Mike Huckabee???

Comment by J. Wright, IL

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said. [...] Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections ……………………… IT SEEMS BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA POINT FINGER TO HIMSELF! LOL

B. Hussein Obama is one of the leader in Washington. What he has been done to help ordinary people?

Comment by proudmale

Comment by J. Wright, IL
April 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said. [...] Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections ……………………… IT SEEMS BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA POINT FINGER TO HIMSELF! LOL

B. Hussein Obama is one of the leader in Washington. What he has been done to help ordinary people?

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Why, Rev. Jeremiah Wright (’J. Wright, IL’) are you dissin’ your own guy?

Comment by Sandy

A comment on the April 11, 2008 @ 7:17P.M. blog: Obama the Great Liar

As a registered “Independent”, I was shocked to read that, in the writer’s opinion, disappointed Hillary Clinton supporters would rather vote for McCain than Obama in the General Election. The writer refers to Obama as the Magic Negro! I don’t know where the term ‘Magic Negro” comes from, but as a registered “Independent” I too, will vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. I’m surprised that I’m not alone in my negative thoughts about Obama. For the record, please explain to me… what is a ‘Magic Negro”?
r/s
Sandi

Comment by Truth

Comment by Shelby
April 11th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Hi, everyone! I’m back!
Don’t have to go to Denny’s tonight - decided to call in sick (raging, contagious yeast infection).
How’s everyone out there in blogoworld?
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Shelby how are you this evening? You should check out the Obama leaves Creaking Door Open blog. Great discussion about Mormons and Social Christian Conservatives and all because of an early thread you put on that site.

Comment by R E O SPEEDWAGON

To Sandy…I have no idea. does anyone else have the answer ?

Comment by Shelby

Comment by Truth
April 11th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Comment by Shelby
April 11th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Hi, everyone! I’m back!
Don’t have to go to Denny’s tonight - decided to call in sick (raging, contagious yeast infection).
How’s everyone out there in blogoworld?
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Shelby how are you this evening? You should check out the Obama leaves Creaking Door Open blog. Great discussion about Mormons and Social Christian Conservatives and all because of an early thread you put on that site.

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…Sweet! Glad I could stimulate meaningful dialogue.

Comment by OBAMA THE GREAT LIAR

“magic Negro” comes from the fact Obama is not 100 percent black but he claims he’s and the magic part of it is the fact that people still believe that he can bring “change” when flip flops on every issued every time and he never answers a question straight up.

Comment by DOUG

I AM SHOCKED THIS POST HAD THE GUTS TO BREAK THIS STORY, LET ALONE POST IT. MY HAT IS OFF TO THEM.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HUSSEIN OBAMA MAKING A COMMENT, AND THEN HAVING TO HAVE HIS SPIN DOCTORS GO OUT AND TELL US, WHAT OBAMA WAS REALLY SAYING. NO DISTAIN FOR US WHITE FOLK!

I HOPE A LOT OF YOU WILL WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT A CHARLATAN THIS GUY REALLY IS. CAN YOU SEE THIS GUY TALKING TO ARMADINIJAD OR HAMAS, WITHOUT HIS SPIN DOCTOR?

Comment by Truth

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Watch out American the people out of jobs just might go to church and then go shoot someone.
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Are we speaking of Reverand Wright’s church?

Comment by indy in iowa

My sis who lives in PA and was supporting Obama and is mad as hell. She just read what he said about them in Cali.

“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations”
Barak Obama.

She doesn’t like being called a red neck anymore than a black person likes being called the “N” word. She just went to throw the Obama sign in her front yard away. Guess his grandmother isn’t the only “TYPICAL WHITE PERSON” Obama is going to throw under the bus.

Comment by Sandra

Can you say BLOWN OUT of PROPORTION. Obama was saying that people are mad because the government keeps screwing them. Promises made about jobs and the economy and are NEVER kept. Workers have the right to be mad, bitter, angry. And they should be. Can we get a whitehouse that will STOP lying. Obama’s comments are to disparage the working class it just points out why they are upset, and rightly so. Don’t let the media slant everything for you, read stuff yourself.

Comment by DOUG

CNN-YES CNN HAS BEEN RUNNING THIS STORY FOR THE ENTIRE HOUR ON LOU DOBBS. CNN STATED, “THIS IS A TURNING POINT IN OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN.” CNN SAID THIS!!!!!

Comment by Sean O'Neill

how does one yawn, virtually?

when will mindless blogging end.

where is my book?

Comment by Truth

Comment by DOUG
April 11th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
CNN-YES CNN HAS BEEN RUNNING THIS STORY FOR THE ENTIRE HOUR ON LOU DOBBS. CNN STATED, “THIS IS A TURNING POINT IN OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN.” CNN SAID THIS!!!!!
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Not CNN but Lou Dobbs, doesn’t count as CNN thinking this just wait.

Comment by Roger Racher

Obama’s Dubious Affiliations

There is no way a white man with the same background and credentials as Obama could ever be elected to any office in this country.

Look at Obama’s affiliations:

- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is listed on Obama’s campaign website as a major Obama supporter and backer and is one of Obama;s super-delegate. Mr. Meeks has been integral in helping Mr. Obama succeed in politics.

- Larry Sinclair claims in 1999 Senator Obama’s arranged to meet him in a limousine, sold Senator Obama cocaine and then gave Senator Obama oral sex. Subsequently Larry and Obama went to a hotel and preformed oral sex again. Mr. Sinclair is testifying in court under oath that these allegations are true.

- Mr. Auchi is an Iraqi billionaire and major financial sponsor for Obama’s rise to power throughout the past years.
While working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made his fortune through the selling of arms in Iraq and the funneling of money from the Oil for Food program (no wonder Obama voted against invading Iraq). Mr. Auchi should have been tried along side Saddam Hussein for his crimes against humanity.

- Mr. Wright is a racist who hates America and whites with Hitleresque triads. Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama’s spiritual mentor for over 20 years. Before the media exposed Mr. Wright, Mr. Wright was on Obama’s campaign staff as Obama’s chief religious advisor. Mr. Wright and Mr. Meeks are ideologically closer to Karl Marx and Black Nationalism, than to Christianity.

- Mr. Rezko is Obama’s long time friend and a major mob figure. Rezko is NOT known for his civic sense of duty and does not do favors without asking something in return.

- Mr. Ayers of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol, served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called the Woods Fund.
- Mr. McPeaks is Obama’s military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who claims that American Jews are the “problem.” and “Christian Zionists were driving America’s policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.”

- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as “the second coming of the messiah,” and also states that she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life”.

The list goes on…

How can Obama’s bad judgment to choose to affiliate with criminals and fanatics be justified?

Had Hillary Clinton had any of the above ghosts in her closet, she would have been thrown out of the election long ago.

Hey everybody - am I missing something here?

It seems to me that perhaps instead of electing Obama president, it would be easier if we just shot ourselves in our collective foot.

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Comment by DOUG

I KNOW, BUT CNN HAS IT ON THEIR MAIN WEB PAGE UNDER “TICKER”. LOU WASN’T ON TONIGHT! FOR YOU OBAMAMANAICS, THIS MAY BE B I G!!!!

Comment by Sandy

Thank you “Obama the Great Liar”… I see your point but my guess is that the rest of “black America” doesn’t see it. Someone in the news business should work with you to “coin” that phrase “Obama the Magic Negro”. The idea does have merit…

Comment by anon

Obama detractors on this message board are bitter wiggers.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Who thought he really understood small town America anyway? This really is no surprise.

Comment by Truth

Comment by DOUG
April 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
I KNOW, BUT CNN HAS IT ON THEIR MAIN WEB PAGE UNDER “TICKER”. LOU WASN’T ON TONIGHT! FOR YOU OBAMAMANAICS, THIS MAY BE B I G!!!!
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Interesting, that is good to know.

Comment by Bren

Thank goodness Obama is beginning to show his true self. Speaking about small town people, who he knows little about, in such a disparaging manner, shows he is not a a man who can unite our country, and is unworthy of being President.

Comment by Wessia

Wow… so many of you are so outta touch with reality. What he siad makes sense. I’ve lived in a small town most of my life. People have fallen through the cracks. Where are the jobs, promises, help that so many have promised through so many years. Obama may not be perfect, but he’s the best hope for any change in direction that we have now out of the three.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Doug and Truth - I’m surprised CNN has this story on their web page. If you try to blog on their “ticker” and say anything against Obama, 9 out of 10 won’t make it through. read the entries.

Comment by anon

HRC: dodged fake sniper fire in Bosnia

WJC: dodged the draft during the Vietnam war

Rev. Wright: served in the US Marine Corps for some six years

Comment by TJS

Sandra, I don’t know about you but I am one of those small town PA people. Yes I go to church regularly and we own guns. Our town is almost a ghost town. How dare you defend his comments and blame the media. He said it I heard it. He is a jerk! He is just another rich politician that doesn’t have a clue about the “typical small town person”. You can believe our small town newspaper will be having lots on this and I will make sure it is daily. Hopefully, the college kids find out what kind of person Obama is before they go to the polls in 2 weeks. I intend to make sure my daughter lets her PSU friends know what he thinks of us. I am not a democrat I am an independent. CNN and others keep trying to make up for what he says. He won’t debate or answer questions, because he isn’t smart enough. He has to have people write everything or else he speaks his mind. And it is showing what happens when he opens his ignorant mouth!

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Wessia - I have alot of family in Alpine Alabama, very small town. I’ll be the first to tell you that they don’t follow religion and have guns because they are dissatisfied with our government.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Sandra
April 11th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

Can you say BLOWN OUT of PROPORTION. Obama was saying that people are mad because the government keeps screwing them. Promises made about jobs and the economy and are NEVER kept. Workers have the right to be mad, bitter, angry. And they should be. Can we get a whitehouse that will STOP lying. Obama’s comments are to disparage the working class it just points out why they are upset, and rightly so. Don’t let the media slant everything for you, read stuff yourself.
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Can you say BLINDED BY THE HALO?

Sandra, I understand your sentiments above. Promises, promises, promises. All politicians lie. That is how they get elected.

I also suspect that BO did not INTEND to disparage the locals.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

However, his words tell an entire chapter about what goes on inside his head.

Why in the world did he decide to include guns, religion and general bigotry? I can see where the trade issue and the illegals taking jobs plays in, but what in the HECK is in his head that he would included the others?

What do guns, racism and religion have to do with lost jobs? I can only speculate as to what is in his head, and I will not go chapter and verse here because it is pure speculation on my part. Suffice it to say that I REALLY DON’T LIKE the way he thinks. I don’t like where his mind takes him. I am terrified of the logic train that resulted in the above statement.

Comment by American Woman

This was posted on April 9th by OLD DEMOCRAT

Very interresting indeed. I especailly like the pictures of the Manion that held a Fundraiser for the Great Obama…What a ******. Words cannot express just how sick I am of hearing this man’s Lies and Spin and those who blindly follow him.. America Wake Up

Obama Visits Billionaires Row
San Francisco, April 6, 2008

http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/

On April 6, 2008, Barack Obama visited the San Francisco region, zipping from event to event all day long, from one end of the Bay Area to the other.

What? you might ask. How did I miss that? If only I had known, I would have gone to see him.

Well, there’s a reason you didn’t know about it. Obama didn’t want you to know about it. Because the events he was attending weren’t for people like you.

They were for people with lots and lots of money, who use that money to gain access and influence with politicians — especially politicians who might become president.

Comment by Truth

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee
April 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Who thought he really understood small town America anyway? This really is no surprise.
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He has a bias about small town America. Again like a lot of his issues it goes back to his grandfather. He really wasn’t impressed with the fact he was a furniture salesman or insurance salesman. He was not a chief like his African grandfather. He was just an ordinary man going about a boring life.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

If small town people are so angry, why do people from small towns live to be a hundred? No stress?

Comment by Raven Girl

John Mellencamp - Small Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eDkAG3R0h8
Vote Barack Obama 08!

Comment by American Woman

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee
April 11th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Doug and Truth - I’m surprised CNN has this story on their web page. If you try to blog on their “ticker” and say anything against Obama, 9 out of 10 won’t make it through. read the entries.
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Do you think maybe the protest in NY today had an effect…? Or maybe all the phone calls today and emails…

Comment by ATTENTIONMODERATOR

Take “obama the great liar’s” comments down immediately! It’s an absolute disgrace that they have been posted! These comments are now in response getting racist and entirely out of line.

Comment by Jeff X

Comment by anon
April 11th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

HRC: dodged fake sniper fire in Bosnia

WJC: dodged the draft during the Vietnam war

Rev. Wright: served in the US Marine Corps for some six years
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Hitler served in the army in WW1, didn’t mean he was right for the job.

Comment by DaveS

Wow, you people are the most closed minded prejudicial bunch I have ever seen! Why do fox listeners always spew such hate and sheer stupidity? I feel sorry for you. Your lives must really suck to be so hateful. Maybe if you people could stop hating for a few minutes and try working together to fix this country, we could actually improve the standard of living and quality of life for all of us!

Comment by BJ

People in small towns don’t “cling to their religion” or “their guns” out of desperation!!! What a condescending remark from the most arrogant candidate ever… OBAMA, explain then why you cling to your church & to Rev. Wright…

These people are religious because it is the core of their beliefs!

Who can blame them for being “anti- ILlegal immigrant”? The key word here is ILLEGAL, who accept wages far below what a normal American can survive on… taking jobs away from them, because big business wants cheap labor so they can inflate their “bottom lines”, for the foreign owners of their corporations!

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

American Woman - I’m not sure about protests in NY. I didn’t here about it.

Comment by Obama Mama

A Magic Negro - WoW! How is that defined. Is it someone of color that is extremely intelligent, has the ability to lead, a great orator. Is it defined as someone who is closing in on Hilliary so I must give him a racist label. Anyway, it doesn’t matter - it’s an ignorant statement. I’m a White resident of PA. I’m also bitter and have been for quite a while. I’m also able to decipher what he is saying. I can’t wait to vote for OBAMA!!
From the Original Obama Mama!!

Comment by anon

Stating the plain and the obvious: Every wigger
who has lost his job is a bitter wigger.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

DaveS - So what is Obama? A uniter? Makes a good slogan, but he don’t seem to see everybody on the same level.

Comment by Earl from PA

I don’t get the controversy…Obama is correct PA and rural americans are bitter about jobs going overseas.. which we can thank the clintons for (NAFTA) Government hasn’t been responsive to rural america for decades now and if Obama has better idea bring it on..As for the guns and religion part i don’t see that he said anything disparging about the rural lifestyle.. People do cling to their guns. PA is a hunting state and many people need to hunt just to put food on the table. He was stating an opinion about PA and as far as i can see neither McCain or Clinton have offered anything other than overly optimistic rhetoric that in no way solves the serious problems of rural america or inner city america either!

Comment by Shelby

Comment by ATTENTIONMODERATOR
April 11th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Take “obama the great liar’s” comments down immediately! It’s an absolute disgrace that they have been posted! These comments are now in response getting racist and entirely out of line.

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WAH! WAH! WAAAHHHHHHH!

If you don’t vote for Obama, you’re a racist!

WAH! WAH! WAAAHHHHHHH!

Comment by OWO

When the voters of PA become as angry and bitter as Obama’s troll wife Michele, then I would start to worry. I think the people of PA will “happily” go to the voting booths and send the lowlife right back to Illinois.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by ATTENTIONMODERATOR
April 11th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Take “obama the great liar’s” comments down immediately! It’s an absolute disgrace that they have been posted! These comments are now in response getting racist and entirely out of line.
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Welcome to Free Speech 101. Learn to live with it or move on to a blog that censors your every thought, word and deed.

We get some really slimy posters here, but most folks just want a healthy argument/debate/discussion. Sort of like real life.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Earl from PA - So what exactly is Obama’s plan for rural America? I don’t think he has a real plan past winning the Presidency.

Comment by Truth

Comment by DaveS
April 11th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Wow, you people are the most closed minded prejudicial bunch I have ever seen! Why do fox listeners always spew such hate and sheer stupidity? I feel sorry for you. Your lives must really suck to be so hateful. Maybe if you people could stop hating for a few minutes and try working together to fix this country, we could actually improve the standard of living and quality of life for all of us!
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Close minded and prejudicial bunch that’s us. Why don’t you enlighten us how we can work together and stop hating. Oh I know we can elect the Uniter Barack Obama. He can than form several commissions (all at taxpayers expense) to figure out what new bureaucratic program needs to be implemented (all at taxpayers expense), and than appoint someone to run this program (at taxpayers expense) etc etc etc.

Comment by BONNIE G.

OBAMA’S ARROGANT ATTITUDE REALLY SURFACES IN THESE CONDESCENDING REMARKS — AN ATTITUDE LEARNED AND CARRIED FORTH FROM REVEREND WRIGHT AND HIS CHURCH MEMBERSHIP? LET’S WATCH OBAMA DANCE HIS WAY AROUND THIS ONE, GOOD GRIEF HE’S ALMOST AS GOOD AS MUHAMMED ALI >>>>><<<<<<

Comment by Truth

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee
April 11th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Earl from PA - So what exactly is Obama’s plan for rural America? I don’t think he has a real plan past winning the Presidency.
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He plans on making sure they get the internet.

Comment by Mulu

I guess the truth speaks for itself. The hatred shown in this blog is what Obama is talking about. You all haters, why is so hard for your all to accept the truth? Why do you think you are so bent on not voting for Obama when he is the best qualified one unless it is b/s of your prejudice and bittereness or for your being so racist? Just try to think for once without the hatred of all people who are not just like you.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

ATTENTIONMODERATOR - You’d probably be happy on CNN’s ticker. They hardly allow anything that’s not positive for Obama. You can trash Bush and McCain though.

Comment by Disgusted With Obama Fans

I am amazed at the gullibility of the American people. Barack Obama has shown, along with his wife, and his minister, that they have no respect for America as a whole. Obama’s comments about small town PA and the rest of the country are insulting, degrading, and the most insulting part was how we cling to our religion? When you are down the first thing people turn to, if they have any sense, is God and their faith. As for our guns, at least we use them for sport in hunting deer, etc. and not to kill our fellow man in the major cities of America. There is a murder almost every day in our closest large cities, and 95% of the murders are considered black on black crime. God help us (and them) if they ever get around to visiting us in “small town America”. Obama is NOT the answer for change in American, the notion of him making major changes in our sacred country gives me chills! Wake Up America!!!!!!

Comment by barbara e

Truth,

Better yet. Maybe he can enlist Wright to teach us how not to hate. Because he is so loving and all that. Typical Obama supporter this Dave S is. So brainwashed by Obama that he will believe anything.

Comment by indy in iowa

I am not voting for Obama because he is black, I am not voting for Obama because he is LIBERAL.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Earl from PA
April 11th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

I don’t get the controversy…Obama is correct PA and rural americans are bitter about jobs going overseas.. which we can thank the clintons for (NAFTA) Government hasn’t been responsive to rural america for decades now and if Obama has better idea bring it on..As for the guns and religion part i don’t see that he said anything disparging about the rural lifestyle.. People do cling to their guns. PA is a hunting state and many people need to hunt just to put food on the table. He was stating an opinion about PA and as far as i can see neither McCain or Clinton have offered anything other than overly optimistic rhetoric that in no way solves the serious problems of rural america or inner city america either!
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I won’t bother with the NAFTA arguments. It’s like bailing water with a fork.

Why the controversy? Easy. What kind of twisted logic could inject guns and religion into a simple statement about broken employment promises by previous administrations and politicians?

What sort of internal bias is running around in his head? His statement is like a snapshot of a portion of his mind. I find it very scary that he could pull those associations together like that.

Please, Earl, lead me through this single sentence and make me understand why it is “normal”. I understand the context, but how did he get here:

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Mulu - I think you need to get a hold of yourself. I don’t care what color he is. I don’t care where he came from. I do care what he stands for, and that’s ugly.

Comment by Mulu

Lo and behold a black man is talking about the hardship small town mid-western are facing and all this bigot haters are flocking trying to lynch him as their ancestors did. Why so much hatred and what he said is true and all he is tying to do is to solve it? OHhh you all almighty whitey, how can a black man talk about your blight? ha? You are so full of hypocracy and bitterness.

Comment by Shelby

Mulu’s been inhaling again…Obama ‘the best qualified’? Being a Senator for a couple of years trumps the same position (held by McCain) for a couple of decades? Put the bong down and let your head clear, Mulu.

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN

Andy Have you been on the Fec website lately? It looks like they changed their format.

Comment by Truth

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I guess the truth speaks for itself. The hatred shown in this blog is what Obama is talking about. You all haters, why is so hard for your all to accept the truth? Why do you think you are so bent on not voting for Obama when he is the best qualified one unless it is b/s of your prejudice and bittereness or for your being so racist? Just try to think for once without the hatred of all people who are not just like you.

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Why is he the best qualified?

Comment by OWO

Hopefully the voters of PA are not as angry and bitter as that angry and bitter troll Michele. She’s is just nasty man, nasty.

Comment by SANDRA

I LIVE IN CHICAGO ILLINOIS I WILL BE 56 THIS MONTH I UNDERSTAND WHAT BARACK WAS TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS AND IS TRUE THERE WILL BE THOSE THAT WILL MAKE A BIG THING LIKE SOME OF THE MEDIA THEY JUMP ON EVERYTHING TO GET PEOPLE TO WATCH THEIR CABLE SHOW .HILLARY IS DOWN AND OUT SO SHE NEED SOMETHING TO PUT ON A SHOW FOR AND OH MAN SHE DID IT WAS LAUGHABLE GOD IF SHE DON’T WIN I DON’T IF SHE CAN HANDLE IT. I SAY TO BARACK EXPLAIN WHAT HE MENT BECAREFUL BECAUSE HANNITY IS WAITING TO DESTROY AND ALL THE WORLD IS WATCH WE LOVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GOD IS WITH YOU.

Comment by Truth

Comment by indy in iowa
April 11th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
I am not voting for Obama because he is black, I am not voting for Obama because he is LIBERAL.
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Good for you one of the few voting for Obama for a legitimate reason. I salute you.

Comment by Jeff

First of all, Obama was simply making the point that working class people are justifiably upset with the leaders in Washington because not much has been done to help them. And yes, I think by saying that he is laying some of the blame on himself… something you never see in people in Washington. Second, for Hillary Clinton, whose tax returns recently showed that her and Bill made something along the lines of 40 million dollars since Bill Clinton left office, and John McCain, who lives on an expansive ranch in Sedona, AZ (the wealthiest city in Arizona), to try and say that Obama is out of touch with the average working man is rediculous. Obama is a working man’s man, people just have a hard time accepting that because he is black. He only recently started making good money when he wrote his two books - but his entire life he has been more of a middle class man than anything. He had to take out loans to pay his way through college, he lives on the south side of chicago (the poorest, toughest part of the city - I know because I was born there), and he has consistently been an advocate for the lower class. So before you try to make Obama out of touch….. THINK (if that’s not asking for too much from people who watch Fox).

Comment by barbara e

Mulu,

You must go to Wright’s church. Correct? You want to see hate just visit the Trinity church. Obama is a liar and a fraud. From his shady friends to his racist pastor. But the worst is the fact that Obama is associated with an admitted and known terrorist. The fact is all of us poor, religious, gun toting white trash just need someone to hate.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Lo and behold a black man is talking about the hardship small town mid-western are facing and all this bigot haters are flocking trying to lynch him as their ancestors did. Why so much hatred and what he said is true and all he is tying to do is to solve it? OHhh you all almighty whitey, how can a black man talk about your blight? ha? You are so full of hypocracy and bitterness.
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So small town America have guns and religion because they are discouraged by our government? Give me a break. Also, everytime an Obama supporter pulls out the race card, it shows us your lack of intelligence.

Comment by barbara e

Andylit!!!!

I was looking for you in the blogs earlier today. Nice to see you back.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by SANDRA
April 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

I LIVE IN CHICAGO ILLINOIS I WILL BE 56 THIS MONTH I UNDERSTAND WHAT BARACK WAS TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS AND IS TRUE THERE WILL BE THOSE THAT WILL MAKE A BIG THING LIKE SOME OF THE MEDIA THEY JUMP ON EVERYTHING TO GET PEOPLE TO WATCH THEIR CABLE SHOW .HILLARY IS DOWN AND OUT SO SHE NEED SOMETHING TO PUT ON A SHOW FOR AND OH MAN SHE DID IT WAS LAUGHABLE GOD IF SHE DON’T WIN I DON’T IF SHE CAN HANDLE IT. I SAY TO BARACK EXPLAIN WHAT HE MENT BECAREFUL BECAUSE HANNITY IS WAITING TO DESTROY AND ALL THE WORLD IS WATCH WE LOVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GOD IS WITH YOU.
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I am 47 and lived in Chicago for 45 years. Even a big city boy like me can see what happened here. Do have a clue how repulsive BO’s comment was? How utterly insulting it was to small town America.

The essence of what he did was to reduce some of their core beliefs to nothing more than a foolish reaction to the unemployment situation. What in the world does owning guns or going to church have to do with the broken promises of politicians past?

It reveals his core of contempt for values he does not embrace. It is so ingrained in him that he DIDN’T EVEN REALIZE HE WAS INSULTING THEM.

Comment by Aryan Briotherhood

I think that black monkey needs to drop out of the race hell never be the president of white america

Comment by ShowMeSt

Comment by SANDRA
April 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

I LIVE IN CHICAGO ILLINOIS I WILL BE 56 THIS MONTH I UNDERSTAND WHAT BARACK WAS TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS AND IS TRUE THERE WILL BE THOSE THAT WILL MAKE A BIG THING LIKE SOME OF THE MEDIA THEY JUMP ON EVERYTHING TO GET PEOPLE TO WATCH THEIR CABLE SHOW .HILLARY IS DOWN AND OUT SO SHE NEED SOMETHING TO PUT ON A SHOW FOR AND OH MAN SHE DID IT WAS LAUGHABLE GOD IF SHE DON’T WIN I DON’T IF SHE CAN HANDLE IT. I SAY TO BARACK EXPLAIN WHAT HE MENT BECAREFUL BECAUSE HANNITY IS WAITING TO DESTROY AND ALL THE WORLD IS WATCH WE LOVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GOD IS WITH YOU.

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Whew! That made me tired! Someone show SANDRA where the period (.) key is on her computer.

P.S. Go ahead and show her how to check her spelling, as well.

Comment by Lee

HERE’S A NEWS FLASH…PEOPLE DO TURN TO RELIGION DURING HARD TIMES. IT’S A COPING MECHANISM. WHY DO YOU THINK CHURCHES WERE FULL RIGHT AFTE 9/11?

IF YOU LOOK FOR A CONTROVERSY, YOU WILL FIND IT.

Comment by Mulu

Truth:
Obama is the best qualified because of his view and what he would put in place from the economy, the war to education. Most of all, his personality and his campaign is not based on lies and oblitration of the truth. It is based on honesty, openess and hope which is very important if you think about it. Hillary wants to portray herself as a fighter…why fight? what is all this division, hatred and spinning of truth? Obama is not perfect but he is as good as it can get.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Jeff - Obama is a working man’s man? Please. He couldn’t have lasted half a day working with me in his prime. I’m sure his fingernails were never dirty.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

Andylit!!!!

I was looking for you in the blogs earlier today. Nice to see you back.
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Howdee,

Tough to come out and play on Tues and Wed. Got the big commute and long, long hours in the office. When I work from home, I can multi-task.

Even as we have this discussion, I am doing product revisions in our billing database.

Comment by Truth

Comment by SANDRA
April 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I LIVE IN CHICAGO ILLINOIS I WILL BE 56 THIS MONTH I UNDERSTAND WHAT BARACK WAS TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS AND IS TRUE THERE WILL BE THOSE THAT WILL MAKE A BIG THING LIKE SOME OF THE MEDIA THEY JUMP ON EVERYTHING TO GET PEOPLE TO WATCH THEIR CABLE SHOW .HILLARY IS DOWN AND OUT SO SHE NEED SOMETHING TO PUT ON A SHOW FOR AND OH MAN SHE DID IT WAS LAUGHABLE GOD IF SHE DON’T WIN I DON’T IF SHE CAN HANDLE IT. I SAY TO BARACK EXPLAIN WHAT HE MENT BECAREFUL BECAUSE HANNITY IS WAITING TO DESTROY AND ALL THE WORLD IS WATCH WE LOVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GOD IS WITH YOU.
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Why are you yelling at us.

Comment by ShowMeSt

Comment by Truth
April 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Comment by indy in iowa
April 11th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
I am not voting for Obama because he is black, I am not voting for Obama because he is LIBERAL.
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Good for you one of the few voting for Obama for a legitimate reason. I salute you.

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S/he said s/he’s NOT voting for Obama…
You read as well as you write.

Comment by Aryan Briotherhood

These black monkeys cant even control their own S*** hole countries how are one of them gonna control ours Go McCain Go white america Heil Hitler

Comment by barbara e

Andylit,

I work from home too. So what do you think about Obama coming up with some ridiculous reason for not taking public funding? I do believe he committed himself to that if I remember correctly.

McCain will have a easy win if Obama is nominated.

Comment by Heather

Obama was raised in small towns by a middle class white family. He made it into Harvard because he’s INTELLIGENT unlike Bush. He’s elitist because…..? He’s correct. I’m bitter because of a never ending war based on lies, Bush never serving but making jokes about looking for WMD’s, jobs leaving the country due to NAFTA, tax cuts to the rich, etc.

Another bitter small town voter for Obama.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Truth:
Obama is the best qualified because of his view and what he would put in place from the economy, the war to education. Most of all, his personality and his campaign is not based on lies and oblitration of the truth. It is based on honesty, openess and hope which is very important if you think about it. Hillary wants to portray herself as a fighter…why fight? what is all this division, hatred and spinning of truth? Obama is not perfect but he is as good as it can get.
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His campaign is not based on lies? I never heard Wright make those comments. I was born during Selma. Rezko raised more money for me than I stated earlier. Lies like that?

Comment by barbara e

Aryan brotherhood,

Maybe you should get off this blog and find a nice blog on youtube. You are really offensive

Comment by Mulu

I guess for some whites this is unchartered territory… they always see themselves so superior and it is so hard to face the fact that someone not exactly like them is telling the truth and trying to do good for everyone insteady of only for them.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Lee
April 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

HERE’S A NEWS FLASH…PEOPLE DO TURN TO RELIGION DURING HARD TIMES. IT’S A COPING MECHANISM. WHY DO YOU THINK CHURCHES WERE FULL RIGHT AFTE 9/11?

IF YOU LOOK FOR A CONTROVERSY, YOU WILL FIND IT.
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Lee, his rhetoric was disparaging. If he meant that people turn to religion in hard times, he would have said that.

Instead, he lumped it in with racism and guns and resentments against others. It was spoken in contempt. I suspect he doesn’t even understand what was wrong with what and how he said it.

It is a reflection of his mind set.

Comment by indy in iowa

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Aryan brotherhood,

Maybe you should get off this blog and find a nice blog on youtube. You are really offensive

Thank you so much, I second you opinion.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

I guess for some whites this is unchartered territory… they always see themselves so superior and it is so hard to face the fact that someone not exactly like them is telling the truth and trying to do good for everyone insteady of only for them.
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Were you born racist, did you stumble into it, or was it thrust upon you?

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Aryan brotherhood,

Maybe you should get off this blog and find a nice blog on youtube. You are really offensive
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Barbara, he’s just an Obama supporter posing as a racist to show how mean white people are. He’ll go away.

Comment by jd

Oh no, not the out of context defense again, I am so sick of every time he gets in trouble, its taken out of context, I think the only thing being taken out of context is Obuma himself, his little sheep are not seeing him for whom he really is.

Comment by Truth

Comment by ShowMeSt
April 11th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
S/he said s/he’s NOT voting for Obama…
You read as well as you write.
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Thank you for catching my mistake. I am so glad you are looking after me.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I guess for some whites this is unchartered territory… they always see themselves so superior and it is so hard to face the fact that someone not exactly like them is telling the truth and trying to do good for everyone insteady of only for them.
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You’re right. If McCain was anti-american, I wouldn’t mind it so much. Give me a break.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

Andylit,

I work from home too. So what do you think about Obama coming up with some ridiculous reason for not taking public funding? I do believe he committed himself to that if I remember correctly.

McCain will have a easy win if Obama is nominated.
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Not a good topic for me. I despise the entire system of using taxpayer money to pay for any political campaign. It is bad enough the states and locals have to pick up the cost of the primary elections.

I think both candidates would be imbeciles to accept the limits of public funding. The 527’s are going to be pouring hundreds of millions into the general election. It is going to get every ugly, very fast, and both candidates are going to be spending a lot of time and money rebutting attack ads.

Comment by Mulu

To Paul from Kissimmee:
First of all everyone is supposed to have a right to say what they think in America, right? and Writght has as much right as anyone. The other thing is Obama is not Wright and in fact one of the reasons Obama is doing what he is doing is because he knows what happens in closed doors of both white and black America and he want to make it right for everyone. Rezko case has been already exhausted and Obama has already acknowledged he made a mistake. As to the Selma story, it is a non issue. It is not something you can talk about when the other candidate is lying like there is no tomorrow… a sniper fire….well you have it here.

Comment by M Period

Can anyone who is so against Obama, and says what he says was so wrong. Honestly say his overall point was wrong? Every years politicians do come to small towns make all these promises, claim that they are going to bring jobs back, attend small town churches, pretend like they love hunting and go out shooting, and then once they get elected disappear for and a half years while jobs disappear. What did he say that was so wrong, if people aren’t bitter. They should be. They should be mad at politicians.

PS I’m from Chicago, and I would put Trinity’s record for good against any church in this nation. Before people claim that they are racists or some horrible cult do some research. You obviously have internet look at the dozens of charity organizations that Rev Wright has set up.

Comment by RC MO.

anon, The 2nd Battalion was part of the 7th Fleet landing force at Da Nang. The good Rev. Wright saw what was coming, and left his grueling job as a cook, and transfered to the Navy to be a nurse. At no time did he see combat. While the rest of us in the 2nd were fighting a war, Wright was at the White House playing doctor. I was in the 2/9 Hotel Company. The 2nd Battalion went to Nam in two waves, but all were there by 1966.

Comment by CeeCee

All of you Obama haters are a bunch of illiterate red necks who wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on the butt. He was not calling the people of PA red necks but was stating how people in America really feel. Read a paper. (you can read can’t you) Listen to the truth and take your head out of you behind. Think for yourself and stay on top of the issues.

Comment by OWO

I watched the horror on Ladyboy Olbermann’s face when the scandal broke. Ladyboy Olbermann and his girlfriend Christina Matthews are horrified. You could see Clinton percentage rate in PA going up on Ladyboys face. HA HA HA……..They are probably off panty shopping at Vickies Secret to get over their trauma.

Comment by Earl from PA

Everyone is so upset about the cling to guns and religion part of the statement.. It isn’t saying anything wrong…You need to go back to the beginning of the paragraph where he says ” the truth is our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progres when there’s not evidence of it in their daily lives..” the people of rural america cling to their guns and religion etc because it is basic rights we still have. Government wants to take everything away gun law restricting ownership, ignoring that most people want christmas celebrated as a relgious holiday. etc.I’m not saying i agree with everything Obama says but all he is saying in that statement is people are frustrated with government not doing anything to solve anything. i couldn’t say that he has come up with anything concrete to solve rural americas problems either but neither have clinton or mccain. He is just saying people are bitter and frustrated and cling to what little they still have. I wish debate on the candidates could have some substance about what their actual policies will be and stop getting so hung up on the semantics of what was said

Comment by Aryan Briotherhood

I think Obama is a weak little black monkey just like most of the people on this blog

Comment by Truth

Comment by Heather
April 11th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Obama was raised in small towns by a middle class white family. He made it into Harvard because he’s INTELLIGENT unlike Bush. He’s elitist because…..? He’s correct. I’m bitter because of a never ending war based on lies, Bush never serving but making jokes about looking for WMD’s, jobs leaving the country due to NAFTA, tax cuts to the rich, etc.
Another bitter small town voter for Obama.
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Obama has issues with his middle class white grandfather. He has never resolved them.

Comment by barbara e

As far as I am concerned you can send both Obama and Clinton packing. The one good thing out of this primary battle is that we have learn who and what they really are. I don’t believe they have a ounce of truth between them. Their supporters take the lies and run with them. When someone who is actually honest comes around like McCain they revolt. I must admit believing a lie and being satisfied with it is much easier that hearing the truth and having to deal with it. The democrats hide their heads in the sand and let the dnc dictate to them who to vote for and who to pay tax’s to. All of them are fools.

Comment by RC MO.

anon, I forgot to mention, that normaly I would defend any soldier to the end, but when Rev. Wright said God Dam- America. To me he was no longer an American, and not worth defending.

Comment by gotta love hills

when has obama EVER truly explained any of his statements that we the people find offensive? he hasnt. he ALWAYS turns the table around to make ALL of us look at ourselves as if we are wrong, we are stupid, we are racist etc. ALWAYS turning the table and never telling us how he REALLY feels about white folks, rich or poor, americans, jews etc. come on obama tell me exactly why you hide your true feelings and why you think that everyone else is screwed up and you are not?

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
To Paul from Kissimmee:
First of all everyone is supposed to have a right to say what they think in America, right? and Writght has as much right as anyone. The other thing is Obama is not Wright and in fact one of the reasons Obama is doing what he is doing is because he knows what happens in closed doors of both white and black America and he want to make it right for everyone. Rezko case has been already exhausted and Obama has already acknowledged he made a mistake. As to the Selma story, it is a non issue. It is not something you can talk about when the other candidate is lying like there is no tomorrow… a sniper fire….well you have it here
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You’re right. Both of the Democrats are liars. Obama acknowleged he made a mistake with Rezko when he was catching heat for following a racist anti-american pastor for 20 years, you know, like Bill Clinton sent a couple of fighter jets to Iraq during the Monica thing. Deverts attention to something else.

Comment by barbara e

Sorry CeeCee, I am to busy praying to my god and buying guns and making friends with bigots.

Comment by M Period

Gotta love hills,

Obama just did explain his entire statement. Go to the breaking news section.

Comment by Truth

Comment by CeeCee
April 11th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
All of you Obama haters are a bunch of illiterate red necks who wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on the butt. He was not calling the people of PA red necks but was stating how people in America really feel. Read a paper. (you can read can’t you) Listen to the truth and take your head out of you behind. Think for yourself and stay on top of the issues.
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Why give the speech in San Francisco why not to the people in Pennsylvania. I’m sure they would have stood up and cheered when he was finished.

Comment by jd

Hey Mula
why dont you give me the exact quote on sniper fire, every one keeps saying that, but I dont believe it is true, Maybe I missed something, yes there was a big fish story about running to our cars with our heads down, but not sure where the sniper fire comes in.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by CeeCee
April 11th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

All of you Obama haters are a bunch of illiterate red necks who wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on the butt. He was not calling the people of PA red necks but was stating how people in America really feel. Read a paper. (you can read can’t you) Listen to the truth and take your head out of you behind. Think for yourself and stay on top of the issues.
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CeeCee,

BO was talking about illiterate rednecks when he made that comment. Who the heck do you think is sitting unemployed in small towns?

I suggest you pop on over to the Huffington site. The audio of the comment is there, in context.

He is absolutely clueless about how offensive his comments were.

Comment by Mulu

To Andylit

you said…..Were you born racist, did you stumble into it, or was it thrust upon you?
No, I was not born racist. I feel this way because of the condensation most white ppl in America. They think they are different creatures and anybody not like them is not included. They look down upon everyone like not exactly like them. Blacks in America are not so full of bitterness not just because of slavery and what happened later. It is because of everyday they have to go thru the same kind of prejudice from white ppl in every wake of life. The separtion and differences that are pointed out everywhere as if whites and blacks are different creatures.
It may be news to you but this is very typical of only America. In other parts of the world, ppl look for similarity, here ppl look for differences. Even the word black and white doesn’t even make sense unless in it is in the good old USA. there is nobody with a skin color that is exactly white and there is no person with color exactly black. If you don’t believe me go to your nearest homedepot and ask them the exact color of your skin and you will see that it is not white. It is just gross marginalization of ppl and dividing ppl of white America.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

CeeCee - If you really stayed on top of the issues like you preach, you would see through the smoke and mirrors of Obama. You’re just another Obamabot pulling the race card.

Comment by indy in iowa

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
As far as I am concerned you can send both Obama and Clinton packing. The one good thing out of this primary battle is that we have learn who and what they really are. I don’t believe they have a ounce of truth between them. Their supporters take the lies and run with them. When someone who is actually honest comes around like McCain they revolt. I must admit believing a lie and being satisfied with it is much easier that hearing the truth and having to deal with it. The democrats hide their heads in the sand and let the dnc dictate to them who to vote for and who to pay tax’s to. All of them are fools

You are so right McCain was the one who told the people of Ohio their jobs weren’t coming back. It caused a stir in the press for a while but it did go away. Only he did it with class and he didn’t demean the people as he did it. And while I agree with you about Obama breaking his promise about public funding for the GE I really don’t think that most voters this issue will be such a big deal. It does show that Obama is a man who is not overly concerned with keeping his word.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Earl from PA
April 11th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Everyone is so upset about the cling to guns and religion part of the statement.. It isn’t saying anything wrong…You need to go back to the beginning of the paragraph where he says ” the truth is our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progres when there’s not evidence of it in their daily lives..” the people of rural america cling to their guns and religion etc because it is basic rights we still have. Government wants to take everything away gun law restricting ownership, ignoring that most people want christmas celebrated as a relgious holiday. etc.I’m not saying i agree with everything Obama says but all he is saying in that statement is people are frustrated with government not doing anything to solve anything. i couldn’t say that he has come up with anything concrete to solve rural americas problems either but neither have clinton or mccain. He is just saying people are bitter and frustrated and cling to what little they still have. I wish debate on the candidates could have some substance about what their actual policies will be and stop getting so hung up on the semantics of what was said
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Earl,

You can scrub this pig all you like. No matter how you dress it up, it squeals and walks on all fours.

I’m an employed city boy, and an atheist. I find the comment offensive.

Comment by Barry

Heather

What is Obama’s true stance on NAFTA?

How is Obama going to end the never ending war?

Did Obama really not vote for the war to begin with?

If Obama gets elected, will you stop being bitter? Why or Why not?

Comment by barbara e

Andylit,

I am not sure if I agree with you or not. Explain a little more of the 527’s to me when you have a chance. I would hate to see one candidate win only because they have more money than the other.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by jd
April 11th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Hey Mula
why dont you give me the exact quote on sniper fire, every one keeps saying that, but I dont believe it is true, Maybe I missed something, yes there was a big fish story about running to our cars with our heads down, but not sure where the sniper fire comes in.
—————————————————————————————————————-”I remember landing under sniper fire,” Clinton recounted. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

Comment by proudmale

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
To Andylit

you said…..Were you born racist, did you stumble into it, or was it thrust upon you?
No, I was not born racist. I feel this way because of the condensation most white ppl in America.

_____

Are white people melting on you?
White people have not treated you with ‘condensation’ but with ‘condescension’…
Like I’m doing now.

Comment by jd

Hey Truth

I dont care for Obuma, does that automagically make me an illiterate red neck?

(Hey honey you gotta come in here and read this(not ya’ll, Im talking to my sister whom also happens to be my wife) honey get in here, never mind go ahead and finish gittin the tranny put back in my truck.)

Comment by Hollow-in-Midwest

Read the whole speech. He wasn’t directly calling them bitter people; he was saying that they become bitter when successive administrations ignore their rapidly dissolving communities.

As a child of the midwest, I do understand what he is trying to say… I have seen that decline firsthand. He was a senator & community organizer in Illinois, so I’d say he has a better idea than many candidates I’ve seen come up for fisticuffs.

I think he is more correct than people would care to admit. When people are backed into a corner, they cling to some kind of defense- be it physical, a gun, metaphysical, like religion, or lashing out, by developing deep anti-foreign (or anti-government) sentiment.

In our time, every speck of dirt on an application seems to be evidence of each candidate’s validity… relax.

Comment by Mulu

To Paul from Kissimmee:
You misunderstood me. I didn’t say Obama is a liar, I said he is honest. I couldn’t say the same thing about Hillary though. ppl make mistakes and if they explain it rather than twist is by saying I didn’t sleep enough, I call that dishonesty.

Comment by RC MO.

Mulu, You pretty much told Andy that you weren`t born that way but… So are you admitting your a racist? If so take that racist sh-t and spin on it.

Comment by Ellen

Here is what Obama really said. Of course Fox misrepresents it by taking it totally out of context. Just like they misrepresented what Rev Wright said (he was QUOTING someone else when he said “the chickens are coming home to roost but, of course, that was edited out).

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy. That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.

Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is so we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide healthcare for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.

Comment by barbara e

Indy and Andylit,

That is my point. If he can go back on this commitment then what about others after he is in office (god forbid). How can you take a man seriously when he backs out of promises? You can see the true cut of a man by how he stands behind his words no matter how hard that could be.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

To Andylit

you said…..Were you born racist, did you stumble into it, or was it thrust upon you?
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No, I was not born racist. I feel this way because of the condensation most white ppl in America. They think they are different creatures and anybody not like them is not included. They look down upon everyone like not exactly like them. Blacks in America are not so full of bitterness not just because of slavery and what happened later. It is because of everyday they have to go thru the same kind of prejudice from white ppl in every wake of life. The separtion and differences that are pointed out everywhere as if whites and blacks are different creatures.

It may be news to you but this is very typical of only America. In other parts of the world, ppl look for similarity, here ppl look for differences. Even the word black and white doesn’t even make sense unless in it is in the good old USA. there is nobody with a skin color that is exactly white and there is no person with color exactly black. If you don’t believe me go to your nearest homedepot and ask them the exact color of your skin and you will see that it is not white. It is just gross marginalization of ppl and dividing ppl of white America.
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Mulu,

Your second paragraph may be a result of a lack of education. It may be a result of the eternal “grass is greener on the other side” mentality. Whatever the source, it is dead wrong.

On every continent, in every nation, province, city and village, people of all races, creeds, colors and persuasions continually seek out new and better ways to hate their neighbors. If you think this is a US only problem, you have really ugly surprise coming when you decide to travel.

Throughout Europe, there is tension between the people of different nations. They speak differently, look a little different, have different ideas. Within the Muslim religion, they slaughter one another over minor doctrinal differences.

The Sikhs hate the Hindus who hate the Muslims who hate everyone. The list is ENDLESS, so stop blaming it on us honkeys.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
To Paul from Kissimmee:
You misunderstood me. I didn’t say Obama is a liar, I said he is honest. I couldn’t say the same thing about Hillary though. ppl make mistakes and if they explain it rather than twist is by saying I didn’t sleep enough, I call that dishonesty.
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So the Selma story was the truth? Did he not here bad things from Wright? He said he didn’t before he admitted it. He’s just as crooked as the Clintons.

Comment by Mulu

To proudmale:
Wow you spelled condescension right… wow… so intelligent but doesn’t entitle you to be condescending … don’t you think so?
I guess playing with words is better when you don’t have a legitimate argument. I hope you actually can understand as much as you can spell.

Comment by jd

Thanks Paul
But there is no video of the landing, and we dont know what the passengers were told before landing.

Comment by gotta love hills

i have been reading that alot of you are pissed about obama’s comments. well i dont blame you i would be made to if i was refered to as backwards and bitter and gun totin etc. it almost sounds like he was saying that ya’ll are too ignornat to do anything about your lifes situation. hhhmmmm. the real question is, will it cause you to vote for someone else now? or will you just forget it?

Comment by Andylit

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

Andylit,

I am not sure if I agree with you or not. Explain a little more of the 527’s to me when you have a chance. I would hate to see one candidate win only because they have more money than the other.
—————–

Swift Boat. MoveOn.org. Advocacy groups that can accept unlimited donations for political purposes.

Comment by Ellen

McCain in NewYorker interview December 2007:

“It’s the influx of illegals into places where they’ve never seen a Hispanic influence before,” McCain told me. “You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were–’concerned’ is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like ‘Why do I have to punch 1 for English?’ ‘Why can’t they speak English?’ It’s become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders.”

Comment by Mulu

Andylit:
I guess just because others are fighting based on their differences, it is ok to do so here as long as it is in a lesser extent. Is that your argument?
Just so you know, I am educated and well travelled and I think it is better for you not to assume too much about others.
I am sure you agree with this statement/s of mine though, right?

There is nobody with a skin color that is exactly white and there is no person with color exactly black. If you don’t believe me go to your nearest homedepot and ask them the exact color of your skin and you will see that it is not white. It is just gross marginalization of ppl and dividing ppl by white America.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Indy and Andylit,

That is my point. If he can go back on this commitment then what about others after he is in office (god forbid). How can you take a man seriously when he backs out of promises? You can see the true cut of a man by how he stands behind his words no matter how hard that could be.
——————————–

Oddly enough, I’ve reached a point in my life where I don’t expect politicians to actually do what they say they will do.

To be a politician is to be a liar. It just goes with the turf.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by jd
April 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Thanks Paul
But there is no video of the landing, and we dont know what the passengers were told before landing
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4.
Here’s the video.

Comment by barbara e

Andylit,

I see. I don’t think I would be happy with them choosing our next president. In fact I know I wouldn’t. I guess you can’t win for losing.

Comment by proudmale

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

…There is nobody with a skin color that is exactly white and there is no person with color exactly black. If you don’t believe me go to your nearest homedepot and ask them the exact color of your skin and you will see that it is not white…

_____________

Just got back from Home Depot…Asked the guy in the paint department what color I am - he said ‘white.’
Of all people, he should know!

Comment by barbara e

Andylit,

I hope that McCain will prove you wrong. Sometimes it amazes me what he will say. Sometimes he is so honest that he has you scratching your head. Did he really say that? I am also hoping that I am right in believing in him as I do. But he gives me more hope of a honest administration than any of the others.

Comment by Pamela

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I guess the truth speaks for itself. The hatred shown in this blog is what Obama is talking about. You all haters, why is so hard for your all to accept the truth? Why do you think you are so bent on not voting for Obama when he is the best qualified one unless it is b/s of your prejudice and bittereness or for your being so racist? Just try to think for once without the hatred of all people who are not just like you.

*********

Mula

I hope you do not think I am trying to gang up on you here (there are not many Obama supporters on right now)…the thing is I like Obama, every since I heard him speack I liked him..he is just likable (funny). I believed him when he gave his speech,and I was hoping he could bring the white and black people together-honestly. But then one day I thought if he really wanted to end the racist deal, why did he bring his daughters to the church to hear negative things about white people, they would surely learn to believe the white people are against them..this cannot stop the racial divide. I still like Obama I just think his judgment is bad and I worry he may just think like the Rev, he has every right to think this way, I just do not think it is a good way to feel about our country while we are against such a threat as radical islamist. I do not think a president who may think we (the american people) are to blame for the deaths of people would be good for our country. It has nothing to do with him being black. I do not like Hillary , not because she is a woman..but becasue she is a devisive person who lies at a drop of a hat. McCain is honest and shows character and I think will have the best chance at keeping us safe against the threat we are up against..the extreme islamist are hitting free people all over the world and they are setting up here in America :)

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

Andylit:
I guess just because others are fighting based on their differences, it is ok to do so here as long as it is in a lesser extent. Is that your argument?
Just so you know, I am educated and well travelled and I think it is better for you not to assume too much about others.
I am sure you agree with this statement/s of mine though, right?

There is nobody with a skin color that is exactly white and there is no person with color exactly black. If you don’t believe me go to your nearest homedepot and ask them the exact color of your skin and you will see that it is not white. It is just gross marginalization of ppl and dividing ppl by white America.
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I didn’t say it was right. I said that your idea that it only happens in America is wrong.

Your second paragraph is a null statement, as in, so what? I’m the color of peach flesh, unless I go out I the sun. Then I look more like the red core flesh near the pit.

You strolled into this discussion essentially saying that all of us “white” folk are bigoted or racist because you claim we will vote for someone based on skin color.

I think it is better for you not to assume too much about others.

I will vote for McCain because BO and the Banshee are quasi socialist leftist liberals, IMHO, whose plans and programs will lead this country to a very bad place.

As for BO’s comments, IMHO, they are an unconscious demonstration on his part of his basic contempt for the rural mindset and much of what goes with it.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by Ellen
April 11th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
McCain in NewYorker interview December 2007:

“It’s the influx of illegals into places where they’ve never seen a Hispanic influence before,” McCain told me. “You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were–’concerned’ is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like ‘Why do I have to punch 1 for English?’ ‘Why can’t they speak English?’ It’s become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders.”
—————————————————————————————————————–

I went through this in Kissimmee. Some stores you walk into, you feel like a foreigner. It is pretty frustrating. I’ve been in a position where I’m talking to a spanish guy, and another walks up and starts talking spanish to him. I find that very disrespectful.

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
Comment by jd

Thanks paul

That confirms my point, the lady on the plane with her, even said there was sniper fire in the surrounding hills during the landing, so that part is true.

Comment by barbara e

Well I am off guys. My husband is on the deck with Margareta’s. We have 80 degrees here in California. Perfect way to end a Friday.

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Pamela - I also admired Obama. I didn’t agree with his policies, but I admired his characterand how he presented himself. At that time, I wouldn’t have been angry if he were elected. That was before we found out his true character. It’s disappointing to me. I feel like we were duped.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I guess the truth speaks for itself. The hatred shown in this blog is what Obama is talking about. You all haters, why is so hard for your all to accept the truth? Why do you think you are so bent on not voting for Obama when he is the best qualified one unless it is b/s of your prejudice and bittereness or for your being so racist? Just try to think for once without the hatred of all people who are not just like you.
—————————-

See, there you go again. You think BO is the best candidate. We think not.

I lived in Chicago. I watched BO get elected to the State Senate. I watched his sleaze his way into the US Senate.

He is just another slimy Chicago Machine Democrat. Race doesn’t matter. Mayor Daley is just another slimy Chicago Machine Democrat. Whites, Latins, Blacks, it doesn’t matter. To get elected in Chicago, you MUST BE DIRTY and you MUST BE IN THE MACHINE’S POCKET.

I don’t HATE BO. I despise nearly everything he stands for politically and philosophically.

Comment by foxy

I would like someone to please explain this to me:

It has been my experience that when you have a church that preaches racism or hatred that you usually hear from the church members in some form or another. Therefore, I wonder how is that rev. wright has been preaching in chicago for thirty-six years, during that time he has preached a once a week on the local television channel, live broadcast on the radio once a week, three sermons on sunday viewed on the internet, has lectured across the country, written several books, and has established over 70 ministries within his church to address every social issue within the community of trinity, is the pastor of local new reporters, teachers, lawyers, judges, professors, ministers, doctors, elected officials, and people of every income bracket, and I wonder why after all these over 5,000 sermons he has preached did the media decide to dig into the video archives and find two sermons from 2001 and 2003, take snippets from them and label him as a man that has preached hatred and racism from the pulpit.

Now I been thinking; the argument that many people use against obama is that he has had to be influenced by what the reverend said? well I wonder why haven’t you heard from any of the over 10,000 members that have attended the rev. sermons? if they too sat in on these hate messages,
How on one hand could he be this dynamic preacher to take a congregation of 35 and turn it into 10, 000 and be responsible for putting hundreds of students in college (400 within the last three years) and yet not one of his members no matter how famous or not they were have uttered one word of his beliefs to the public? If wasn’t until one black man decide to run for president was he labeled this racist anti- american…. Funny Huh?

Comment by Mulu

To RC MO.
I did tell Andylit I was not born a racist. I told him that I just happen to have the view that I expressed above because of what I observ everyday. Do you not get it?

Comment by goatboy from africa

goatboy think comments insignificant….bible toting redneck not vote obama anyway
goatboy think poor example of “uniting” though

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by jd
April 11th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Thanks paul

That confirms my point, the lady on the plane with her, even said there was sniper fire in the surrounding hills during the landing, so that part is true.
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She still fabricated a story though. Anybody would remember being shot at and running for their lives with their heads down to their cars. She had an advantage until she came up with this. She should have just said that they were warned of sniper fire, but she still had the guts to go through with it. That would’ve been more admirable.

Comment by ari

In Feb. “The Federal Election Commission (FEC) released a letter to McCain today that questions his ability to withdraw from the presidential public financing system – and avoid the spending limits that come with it. The FEC asked McCain to explain whether he used public funds as collateral for a $1m bank loan last month, a move that would commit him to a taxpayer-funded campaign” Ok, now he decided to take it after all, maybe because of loan problems and/or problems with funding prospects, eventhough there is still a loophole that donations can be made beyound public financing. Anyway, if Obama committed or pledged, which is a difference, but in this case should be actually be looked upon as favourable if he opt out. Especially from Rep. stand point-less government-interference. Thus in a way weak and hypocritical, but thats poltiics.
Think Obama campaign is itself surprised by its success of fundraising efforts, so they rightfully want to change course, or at least hhave that option.

Comment by proudmale

Foxy,

Of the 400 students trinity church has put through college in the last three years,
how many of them were white?

Comment by retz

For all his claims about his family being from the heartland of America Obama has never lived there. Though some of his statement is true he has no knowledge of what working class Americans think. Most of us that are against Obama have nothing against his race. I have great respect for Rice,Powell,Cosby,and Keyes just to name a few. I resent that my intelligence has been questioned by a pompous idiot. I hate guns but my family hunts and it is their right to have them. Obama can stick by his religion but it seems to be a fault that others stick to theirs. I wont vote for Obama for the same reason I wouldn’t vote for Kerry. Its all about getting elected and not about the people. Sure every politician makes promises that they have no intention of fulfilling or just can”t. I was not born last night and YES WE Can has always been my belief. I do not need it as a campaign slogan to make me believe in CHANGE. The great uniter is dividing us more everyday. We are not anti black, anti legal immigrant, anti muslim we are pro America. So stop telling me, a white middle class American, that I am misguided and need to see the light that Obama is shedding on the misguided masses. My son is a proud solier in the United States Army and Obama and Hillary are putting his life in danger. We are not making your children go to war and when we have acheived democracy in Iraq don’t forget to thank the brave soldiers who say everyday YES WE CAN BRING ABOUT CHange.

Comment by Responding to 'Truth'

To be fair, Truth, I think Obama did make a reference to the ‘bitterness’ that still lingers in the 1960s cohort of black Americans, like Jeremiah Wright…”The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.”
(full transcript here)
Anyways…

As an Obama supporter, I think Obama really erred here. Conceptually he has it down, but I think he has drawn connections between working class disenchantment with government and their ‘clinging’ to guns and religion was out of step with reality. His intimations that perhaps they are anti-immigration might be correlated, however. Gun rights and faith are sensitive issues, however, that I feel shouldn’t have been involved in his discussion as though they were negatives. I hope he learns from his error. I’m sure he will learn from the mistake…

Comment by foxy

Trinity is in a black community, therefore, the problem among black youth was that many of them could not get into college, if there was a white person who happened to be a member wanted to get into college, it did not discriminate, the question is how many white people do you think took the time to come to trinity to know what it was about?

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

To RC MO.
I did tell Andylit I was not born a racist. I told him that I just happen to have the view that I expressed above because of what I observ everyday. Do you not get it?
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Mulu,

Perhaps you need to address the comments of each poster individually instead of comments like

“Lo and behold a black man is talking about the hardship small town mid-western are facing and all this bigot haters are flocking trying to lynch him as their ancestors did. Why so much hatred and what he said is true and all he is tying to do is to solve it? OHhh you all almighty whitey, how can a black man talk about your blight? ha? You are so full of hypocracy and bitterness.”

There are a few a-holes who drift in and out of the blogs, but very few of us here deserve the above comment.

Comment by Truth

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
To RC MO.
I did tell Andylit I was not born a racist. I told him that I just happen to have the view that I expressed above because of what I observ everyday. Do you not get it?
___________________________________________________________________

Do you know why we will never understand each other. You presume that your life is influenced negatively every day by whites. You also believe all whites have these superiority complexes (although I realize that is how the elite liberals feel). I admit I don’t understand your feelings but you don’t understand that most whites struggle every day. We aren’t given some secret pass taht makes us special. We go to the crappy job, with the crappy boss, try to live from pay check to pay check hoping some emergency doesn’t come up to put us behind. We are more like you than different.

Comment by goatboy from africa

anyone get into college….junior college just require ged….black person with ged get into junior college

Comment by foxy

Every ethnic group in this country caters to its own including, indian, chinese, irish, italians, and so forth, you can’t tell me they don’t

Comment by ari

Andy
This is bit side-tracking, but you might made a point about islamism in the world

“For reasons I find impossible to discern, the
U.S. government continues to treat establishment Islamic radicals in this country as
friends and allies. Consider this absurdity: earlier this fall, as the Department of Justice
was pursuing the Holy Land Foundation case in a Dallas courtroom, and identifying
the Islamic Society of North America as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in
terrorist financing because of its Muslim Brotherhood connection, the very same
Department of Justice manned an outreach booth at the 2007 ISNA national convention
in Chicago. At least six other federal agencies did the same thing.
It’s no wonder so many in the mainstream media don’t pursue critical investigations
of these mainstream Muslim organizations. If the U.S. government gives them
the official seal of approval, it’s that much easier for journalists, who may be disinclined
to dig deeper anyway, to justify their lack of curiosity.
I don’t know what it will take to wake American journalists up. Probably another
9/11, I’m sorry to say. If you saw the important documentary “Islam vs. Islamists,”
which PBS tried to suppress, you will have learned from Muslims themselves that
American mosques are being taken over by radical Islamists right here, right now.
Several years ago, when I was beginning to learn about radical Islam in America, I
told a friend in Washington working in counterterrorism that I didn’t understand”

large file but last chapters of usa,

For reasons I find impossible to discern, the
U.S. government continues to treat establishment Islamic radicals in this country as
friends and allies. Consider this absurdity: earlier this fall, as the Department of Justice
was pursuing the Holy Land Foundation case in a Dallas courtroom, and identifying
the Islamic Society of North America as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in
terrorist financing because of its Muslim Brotherhood connection, the very same
Department of Justice manned an outreach booth at the 2007 ISNA national convention
in Chicago. At least six other federal agencies did the same thing.
It’s no wonder so many in the mainstream media don’t pursue critical investigations
of these mainstream Muslim organizations. If the U.S. government gives them
the official seal of approval, it’s that much easier for journalists, who may be disinclined
to dig deeper anyway, to justify their lack of curiosity.
I don’t know what it will take to wake American journalists up. Probably another
9/11, I’m sorry to say. If you saw the important documentary “Islam vs. Islamists,”
which PBS tried to suppress, you will have learned from Muslims themselves that
American mosques are being taken over by radical Islamists right here, right now.
Several years ago, when I was beginning to learn about radical Islam in America, I
told a friend in Washington working in counterterrorism that I didn’t understand

Comment by Mulu

Pamela:
You can’t make such important decision as choosing your president based on fear. You have seen the result of that based on the last election. Obama has such a diverse background and he knows what is happening both behind closed doors of black and white America. Don’t be scared of that because he is not exactly like you. Don’t run over hope and a different bright future just because you think he is someone you can’t relate with easily. Your unfounded fear shouldn’t be a reason to take away US’s bright future. Learn to relate with others and know about others, don’t get scared. If it wasn’t for a closed mindedness of white America, they would have known the sentiment that runs in most blacks’ life and chruch. They are shocked b/s they never made effort to know their neighbor and know them. Don’t make your decision based on fear.

Comment by something to ponder

What would happen if there were a UNITED WHITE COLLEGE FUND?

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN

Ari, What does your name mean?

Comment by Andylit

Comment by ari
April 11th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Andy
This is bit side-tracking, but you might made a point about islamism in the world
——————–

You are actually admitting there may be some rather severe problems within the Muslim sphere?

Comment by foxy

you have them already

Comment by Responding to 'Truth'

Also retz,

obama was not referring to the white middle class. he was referring to below middle working class. and a particular area. this is not to be generalized to him making assumptions concerning your intelligence.
also, if he can make assumption concerning ‘black churches’ and it isn’t considered insulting, why can’t he be free to draw conclusions about all populations. shouldn’t presidents attempt to be in tune with diverse populations?

also, do you think mccain cares about people?
it seems you are reflecting obama’s idea that people are skeptical because they don’t buy that politicians really care… this is interesting. i think it is hard to believe that politicians care. it feels like they’re trying to sell something all the time. i think part of what obama is saying concerning ‘yes we can’ is that we can change the system… that requires a degree of hope.

concerning iraq… many thanks to your son and the efforts he is making to help the Iraqi people.
my continual prayer is that the troops are safe. i also pray that our government will respect the sacrifice they are making and ensure they are helping to make america safe from terrorists in places like Afghanistan, etc.

God bless and many prayers

Comment by jd

Paul

I agree with you but she didn’t say (being shot at ) she said (landed under ) at least in the video you showed me.

Comment by foxy

The United College Fund helps people of color raise money because they can’t afford to pay for their tuition.

Comment by goatboy from africa

maybe they should get loan and pay back like anyone else

Comment by foxy

Statistics say that black people only make up 12 percent of the usa. for every white male in college, there is four black males in prison

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Pamela:
You can’t make such important decision as choosing your president based on fear. You have seen the result of that based on the last election. Obama has such a diverse background and he knows what is happening both behind closed doors of black and white America. Don’t be scared of that because he is not exactly like you. Don’t run over hope and a different bright future just because you think he is someone you can’t relate with easily. Your unfounded fear shouldn’t be a reason to take away US’s bright future. Learn to relate with others and know about others, don’t get scared. If it wasn’t for a closed mindedness of white America, they would have known the sentiment that runs in most blacks’ life and chruch. They are shocked b/s they never made effort to know their neighbor and know them. Don’t make your decision based on fear.
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Mulu,

Your comments above AGAIN derive from assumptions of prejudice on the part of the whites.

Can’t you get it through your heads that many of us consider BO and the Banshee to be virtually identical? They are LIBERALS. Drum beating, nanny state, gun grabbing, tax raising liberals.

COLOR is NOT the issue.

Comment by Truth

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
The United College Fund helps people of color raise money because they can’t afford to pay for their tuition
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And all whites can afford college.

Comment by ari

Its about muslim brotherhood, and their ideology, only read some chapters but its definitely concerning how they play the media and other institutions, it has differen strands but large fundings. This site seems to be authority on islam movements,

http://www.e-prism.org/

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

jd - Saying you ran with your head down to your car is really saying she was being shot at. She never said she didn’t say she was being shot at. She said she was tired and misspoke. I wish she didn’t do that, honestly. If we are going to have a Democrat for president, I would rather it be her.

Comment by Responding to 'Truth'

One more thing to Truth

You are right in saying blacks and whites are more alike than everyone suspects.

I don’t know what other blacks feel, but more than anything else, what I feel I need to hear is my white brother and white sister say to me “I understand”. I understand the hurt you still feel about your past and I’m here to help you move forward.

For me, I don’t want to spend time defending ‘black issues’ , etc. I’m working hard like everyone else.

But I must admit, it puts me on the defensive when I hear people spout rhetoric about how ‘blacks feel they are oppressed’ or that ‘blacks feel they are entitled to something’. It puts me in a position of defense.

Can you see how this could be the case?

Comment by Mulu

Andylit and Truth:
Life is difficult as it is and I understand that most whites have to struggle to make ends meet too. But there is no justice in what continues to happen in this country when it comes to race. For all the freedom and civilization achieved, black this, white this… it is so disgusting… People are so color oriented and it is not going anywhere… Now there is this outward hostility towards blacks just because what was happeing in closed door has found its way in to youtube. All the resentment and hostility is out there but instead of trying to understand eachother and work together as Obama is trying to do, there is so much division and hatred and Hillary is helping it a lot too and yet nobody want to say she is getting the votes she has because she is white despite all her of her lies and twisting.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by ari
April 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Andy

Something went wrong

http://www.e-prism.org/images/20080314_CurrentTrendsVolume6_1_.pdf
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Thanks Ari,

I have run into excerpts from this but have never gotten the actual document.

Have you read it yet?

Comment by jd

goatboy

Dont bring up things like that, Me and my wife are still paying on student loans from the 80s, I would like to forget about it at least for the weekend.

Comment by Pamela

foxy

I believe the Rev has done alot for many people from what I hear-and this is a good thing-not many people do as much as he has for people..and more then likely he gave many many sermons where he did not mention white people-but to say the many things he said even once shows something is up. I do not know for sure if Obama thinks this way..but from several actions ..like not wanting to wear the American flag really have me worried. The main thing though is Ahmadidejad just today is spouting things like “who really brought down the towers” and has said often how we (American people) get what we deserve..same thing the Rev has said. They have a right to think anyway they wish…I just think it is to close to how the radical islamist think. Obama did say his Rev was his inspiration for the book he wrote..he has to know what this man is all about..it is a extreme left way of thinking…why do you think the extreme islamist want Obama to win.

Comment by Truth

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Statistics say that black people only make up 12 percent of the usa. for every white male in college, there is four black males in prison
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Who should we blame. Myself I blame the Great Society for emasculating the black male and making him unneccsary in the home. So my problem with Obama is more government is not the answer to poverty. Instead of a hand-out the ghettos and other poverty stricken areas need a hand up.

Comment by RC MO.

Mulu, Yea, I get it. We hear it everyday. Your goal here is to call anyone who does not support Obama or your views a racist. Your just another race baiter. That`s like Al Sharpton and David Duke trying to discuss race without getting carried away. With a baiter it`s imposible. You might be educated, but your still making yourself look like a racist. Your making a fool out of yourself.

Comment by ari

TBK
Named after my grandfather, dont know what it means, just a name.

Comment by anon

McCain he ain’t no magic wigga.

Comment by foxy

At the start of the 1990s, the U.S. had more Black men (between the ages of 20 and 29) under the control of the nation’s criminal justice system than the total number in college. This and other factors have led some scholars to conclude that, “crime control policies are a major contributor to the disruption of the family, the prevalence of single parent families, and children raised without a father in the ghetto, and the ‘inability of people to get the jobs still available.’”

Source: Craig Haney, Ph.D., and Philip Zimbardo, Ph.D., “The Past and Future of U.S. Prison Policy: Twenty-five Years After the Stanford Prison Experiment,” American Psychologist, Vol. 53, No. 7 (July 1998), p. 716.

“Since 1997, 16 states have implemented reforms to their felony disenfranchisement policies
“These reforms have resulted in the restoration of voting rights to an estimated 621,400 persons
“By 2004, the total number of people disenfranchised due to a felony conviction had risen to 5.3 million
“Among those disenfranchised, 74% are currently living in the community
“In 2004, 1 in 12 African Americans was disenfranchised because of a felony conviction, a rate nearly five times that of non-African Americans
“Voting is linked with reduced recidivism; one study shows that 27 percent of non-voters were rearrested, compared with 12 percent of voters”

Source: King, Ryan S., “A Decade of Reform: Felony Disenfranchisement Policy in the United States” (Washington, DC: Sentencing Project, 2006), p. 2.

“Thirteen percent of all adult black men — 1.4 million — are disenfranchised, representing one-third of the total disenfranchised population and reflecting a rate of disenfranchisement that is seven times the national average. Election voting statistics offer an approximation of the political importance of black disenfranchisement: 1.4 million black men are disenfranchised compared to 4.6 million black men who voted in 1996.”

Source: Fellner, Jamie and Mauer, Marc, “Losing the Vote: The Impact of Felony Disenfranchisement Laws in the United States” (Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch & The Sentencing Project, 1998), p. 8. Election statistics cited are from the US Census Bureau, “Voting and Registration in the Election of November 1996″ (p20-504), July 1998.

One in three black men between the ages of 20 and 29 years old is under correctional supervision or control.

Source: Mauer, M. & Huling, T., Young Black Americans and the Criminal Justice System: Five Years Later (Washington DC: The Sentencing Project, 1995).

“In 2001, the chances of going to prison were highest among black males (32.2%) and Hispanic males (17.2%) and lowest among white males (5.9%). The lifetime chances of going to prison among black females (5.6%) were nearly as high as for white males. Hispanic females (2.2%) and white females (0.9%) had much lower chances of going to prison.”

Source: Bonczar, Thomas P., US Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Prevalence of Imprisonment in the US Population, 1974-2001,” NCJ197976 (Washington DC: US Department of Justice, August 2003), p. 8.

In 1986, before mandatory minimums for crack offenses became effective, the average federal drug offense sentence for blacks was 11% higher than for whites. Four years later following the implementation of harsher drug sentencing laws, the average federal drug offense sentence was 49% higher for blacks.

Source: Meierhoefer, B. S., The General Effect of Mandatory Minimum Prison Terms: A Longitudinal Study of Federal Sentences Imposed (Washington DC: Federal Judicial Center, 1992), p. 20.

Regardless of similar or equal levels of illicit drug use during pregnancy, black women are 10 times more likely than white women to be reported to child welfare agencies for prenatal drug use.

Source: Neuspiel, D.R., “Racism and Perinatal Addiction,” Ethnicity and Disease, 6: 47-55 (1996); Chasnoff, I.J., Landress, H.J., & Barrett, M.E., “The Prevalence of Illicit-Drug or Alcohol Use during Pregnancy and Discrepancies in Mandatory Reporting in Pinellas County, Florida,” New England Journal of Medicine, 322: 1202-1206 (1990).

Due to harsh new sentencing guidelines, such as ‘three-strikes, you’re out,’ “a disproportionate number of young Black and Hispanic men are likely to be imprisoned for life under scenarios in which they are guilty of little more than a history of untreated addiction and several prior drug-related offenses… States will absorb the staggering cost of not only constructing additional prisons to accommodate increasing numbers of prisoners who will never be released but also warehousing them into old age.”

Source: Craig Haney, Ph.D., and Philip Zimbardo, Ph.D., “The Past and Future of U.S. Prison Policy: Twenty-five Years After the Stanford Prison Experiment,” American Psychologist, Vol. 53, No. 7 (July 1998), p. 718.

For a more complete perspective, read Drug War Facts sections on Alcohol, Civil and Human Rights, Drug Use Estimates, Economics, Prisons, Jails & Probation - Overview, Prisons & Drug Offenders, Race & HIV/AIDS, and Women.

Comment by jd

Paul
I wish she didnt either, just tired of everyone spinning every comment. geez I think its beer thirty.

(honey you done fixin that truck yet)

Your truly
illiterate red neck

Comment by Paul from Kissimmee

Comment by jd
April 11th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Paul
I wish she didnt either, just tired of everyone spinning every comment. geez I think its beer thirty.

(honey you done fixin that truck yet)

Your truly
illiterate red neck
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She still aint done with that truck yet? My cousin/wife/aunt rebuilt the john deere motor and got me a beer.

Comment by ari

Read the parts of america and brotherhood, good insight. Even government, media plays along with their policy. There is difference but islam and islamism, the latter prescibes to special thoughts, and actions where members need to adhere to. Its partly academic and partly journalistic.

“Those organizations include most of the leading Islamic groups in the United
States, including the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Council on American-
Islamic Relations (CAIR), and the Muslim American Society (MAS). This memorandum
seems to indicate that virtually the entire organizational leadership of
Muslims in America are operating consciously as a fifth column.
That’s quite a story. You would think that American journalists would dive head
first into it. Given the ramifications, you would think that they’d want to know how
seriously to take this phenomenal memorandum.
According to a Nexis search, there have been only three mentions of this document
in the mainstream media. The first was in the last paragraph of an August 8,
2007 general trial story in the Dallas Morning News. The second was in a September
9 column I wrote, which was devoted exclusively to the document. Then, on September
17, the trial reporter for the News published a lengthy front-page article on the
document. The Washington Times has mentioned it a couple of times. Investor’s Business
Daily wrote an editorial about it. The Augusta (Ga.) Chronicle and the Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review picked up that column of mine. Last month, one of the top five newspapers
in the country commissioned an op-ed from me about the document and its
implications, but killed my piece at the last minute, without explanation.
And that’s it. One of the most important Islamist terror documents we know of,
one vital to our national security, has been almost entirely ignored by the American
news media.
Why? Short answer: fear of the charge of Islamophobia. Let me elaborate from
my own experience as a journalist working in the mainstream media.”

Comment by proudmale

foxy,

Why are there more black men in prison than in college?

I suppose if ‘whitey’ can’t kill off blacks by injecting them with the AIDS virus, he’ll just incarcerate them all.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

Andylit and Truth:
Life is difficult as it is and I understand that most whites have to struggle to make ends meet too. But there is no justice in what continues to happen in this country when it comes to race. For all the freedom and civilization achieved, black this, white this… it is so disgusting… People are so color oriented and it is not going anywhere… Now there is this outward hostility towards blacks just because what was happeing in closed door has found its way in to youtube. All the resentment and hostility is out there but instead of trying to understand eachother and work together as Obama is trying to do, there is so much division and hatred and Hillary is helping it a lot too and yet nobody want to say she is getting the votes she has because she is white despite all her of her lies and twisting.
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Mulu,

Every animal on earth has a genetic core directive that states Different Is Bad. This instinct is what drives single species reproduction and in some cases communal behavior patterns. It is the reason red squirrels and gray squirrels always fight and rarely ever interbreed. It is in EVERY animal.

There is one thing and only one thing that brings humans a wee bit above the rest of the food chain. We have the intellectual capacity to sometimes push that basic instinct out of our behaviors.

Yes, there are many who will not vote for BO because of his skin color. And there are many who will vote for him because of skin color. BOTH of these attitudes are WRONG.

Sadly, we are still too close to the days of legal, institutionalized racism and segregation. Sadly, there are still too many on both sides of the color barrier who raise their children in the old way.

I won’t speak for others, but for myself. You mention closed doors. I expect you mean the TUCC services.

When they were still available on the site, I watched 5 of Wright’s sermons at random, in full. I also watched 2 of his lectures, for lack of a better term. In my opinion, the snips we saw of Wright in the MSM were not unique or out of character. They were perhaps the most volatile, but they accurately represent the content and tone of the political sections of each of the sermons I watched.

I have attended 4 or 5 black church services in the city. I thought they were awesome, energetic and uplifting. Please note that I am an atheist. I never heard anything like Wright’s comments in those services. The people who brought e to those services would have picked up and walked out if they had head that crap from the pulpit.

Comment by DPG

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

NO OBAMA…
I cling to my religion. Becouse it is who I am…
I cling to my guns . Becouse I am a American. That believe’s we have that right. And that right protects the rest.
And I think that every dollar a Country sends in products here. Sould buy a dollar of our products to match.
AND I THINK YOU ARE THE BIGOT that can not stand others not like you….
And your mentor Rev. Wight. (SIC) …

GO AWAY O-BUM-A

Comment by Truth

Comment by Responding to ‘Truth’
April 11th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
But I must admit, it puts me on the defensive when I hear people spout rhetoric about how ‘blacks feel they are oppressed’ or that ‘blacks feel they are entitled to something’. It puts me in a position of defense.
Can you see how this could be the case?
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Yes I can see how this could be the case but can you understand that there are many whites have those same feelings. Have you ever talked to the people of Appalachia or the hills of Kentucky. I become defensive when Dems talk about the middle part as the country as nothing more than somewhere to fly over to get to both coast. I resent it when I hear people say seniors think they are entitled to social security and they are going to ruin their children’s lives. But I know who I am and what needs to be done for me to get through the day and when all is said and done it is just rhetoric.

Comment by Pamela

Comment by ari
April 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Its about muslim brotherhood, and their ideology, only read some chapters but its definitely concerning how they play the media and other institutions, it has differen strands but large fundings. This site seems to be authority on islam movements,

__________________________________________________

Ari

You see the problem here? It is pretty scary stuff.

Comment by foxy

Comment by Pamela
April 11th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
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Rev. Dr. Brenda Eatman Aghahowa: Barbara Jordan on the Wright-Obama Controversy

As a Barbara Jordan scholar, I have written extensively about the late Texas Congresswoman’s style of political communication, one characterized by Celeste Michelle Condit and John Louis Lucaites in their book, Crafting Equality, as that of an “egalitarian consensus builder.” While never skirting issues of race, the Congresswoman addressed these in such a way as to attempt to lower, rather than raise barriers, in a way that would bring people together, rather than divide them.

In recent weeks, the media have sought to vilify and crucify the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., Presidential Candidate Barack Obama’s now-retired pastor of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ, by endlessly airing out of context a few controversial remarks he has made over the years while sermonizing. By now, we all are well aware of the caricature the print and broadcast media have proffered of Dr. Wright as a race-baiting madman. (Of note, the current pastor of Trinity, the Rev. Otis Moss III, told members during a recent worship service that persons who had gone to the Trinity website and listened to controversial sermons in their entirety have since written to apologize to Dr. Wright, now clear of media distortion of his words and ideas.)
I have sat ruminating, wondering what my “sheroe” Barbara Jordan would think of all this, if she were alive. Even as her voice of reason was so critical during the Nixon-Watergate Impeachment Hearings, such a voice is desperately needed at this juncture in our national life, even if it must be heard from the grave.

If I may speak for Congresswoman Jordan after nearly a decade of wrestling with her life, work and legacy, after studying her papers in the Barbara Jordan Archives at Texas Southern University in Houston, and after interviewing at length family members and colleagues who knew her, I humbly offer some conclusions here.
First, as a serious Constitutionalist, Barbara Jordan would defend Pastor Wright’s First Amendment right of free speech and his right to be controversial. She would point out, as others have in various columns and forums over the past few weeks, the double standard that has been applied to Rev. Wright. Specifically, she might comment that white right-wing ministers in this country have said the same and worse kinds of things since the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01, and few if any media persons have castigated them in similar fashion.
Even though Congresswoman Jordan would not use the same style of expression if she were alive, she likely would defend to the death Dr. Wright’s right to express himself as God has fashioned him to express himself.
Secondly, Jordan was a consummate, balanced researcher. Her famous Statement on Impeachment, delivered before the U.S. House Judiciary Committee on July 25, 1974, carefully juxtaposed President Richard Milhous Nixon’s actions with the criteria for impeachment. Given this, Jordan likely might be scratching her head as to why many Americans have not had the intellectual or emotional (indeed, as a preacher’s kid, the spiritual) maturity to do their own research with regard to Dr. Wright and the Trinity congregation – a church that some have disparagingly mislabeled as “crackpot” in the media in recent weeks. She would wonder about the knee-jerk reactions to brief sound bites that have reduced and mischaracterized 36 years of incredible ministry leadership to headship of a heretical cult. She would muse, “Aren’t Americans smart enough to investigate for themselves?” For, if those Americans who knee-jerked had gone to the Internet (even if they had to go to their local library or other location to access it) and visited the church’s website, rather than simply buying wholesale what the media have offered, they would know, “The Truth About Trinity”.

As a member of Trinity for the past 12 years and as an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ for 20 years, I am well acquainted with the teachings and writings of Dr. Wright, a well-respected theologian, scholar and seminary professor who has written several books, all theologically and biblically sound. A man of letters, he has two master’s degrees, an earned doctorate, and several honorary doctorates. I also am well acquainted with the 70-plus ministries of outreach at the church that help folk spiritually and practically, offering assistance especially to those marginalized and disenfranchised ones whom Jesus called, “the least of these.” Research would reveal that Dr. Wright has grown the church from 87 members to more than 8,000 over the past 36 years. In addition, Rev. Wright has mentored and ordained hundreds of men and women to preach the Christian gospel. Of note, Trinity’s membership has included, and currently includes some white members. One of those white members was the former UCC Illinois Conference Minister, Jane Fisler Hoffman, who has taken another denominational post in California. A white male member of more than 20 years, William A.Von Hoene Jr., wrote compellingly in a March 26, 2008 editorial for the Chicago Tribune of how Dr. Wright counseled his African-American wife (then his fiancée) for four hours, trying to get her to
stick to her original decision to marry Von Hoene after Dr. Wright learned she planned to back out of the marriage because he is white.

Trinity is not monolithic in terms of race or culture. It has members that are Latina/Latino, that are Spanish-speaking, French-speaking, and that are from many countries, including Columbia, France, Nigeria, Kenya, South Africa, Sudan and England. It is perhaps one of the most diverse congregations in the country.
The usual Bible studies, choral groups, and benevolence efforts that one would find at any Christian church are supplemented at Trinity by ministries of employment, housing, food sharing, legal counseling, domestic violence, HIV/AIDS support, drug and alcohol abuse recovery, food sharing, television and radio, etc. The church’s outreach is local, national and global. As a result of Rev. Wright encouraging members to exercise faithful stewardship with respect to tithes and offerings (financial giving), the church burned the mortgage on its $12 million worship center some years back.

The Christian cross has two axes or dimensions, the vertical and the horizontal. Some Christian church leaders of conservative bent act as if issues like abortion and gay marriage, which are related to personal choice and personal spirituality (the vertical dimension of faith), are the only issues on which the church should act politically. Dr. Wright, however, is spiritually clear that Christians ought to pay attention as well to the horizontal dimension of faith, that is to issues of sociopolitical significance that affect more than one individual at a time – matters such as institutional racism and global warming that, when acted and legislated upon, positively impact millions and billions of persons at once.
His is a holistic approach to the gospel. He is clear that the church must be concerned and vocal on any issues that affect persons’ spiritual, physical and emotional wellbeing and not just those that conservative churches have chosen to focus on.

As a minister and parishioner, when I hear Dr. Wright speak out forcefully on issues of social justice, I always hear echoing in my spiritual ear the words and stridency of biblical prophets Micah, Amos and Jesus, who also bucked the status quo while speaking truth to power. When he speaks out from a biblical perspective on issues like employment discrimination, war mongering for oil profit (be aware that Pope Benedict XVI also opposes the War in Iraq), environmental racism, racial profiling and the like, I clearly hear the paraphrased words of these biblical prophets, who have intoned:
“But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness as an ever-flowing stream.”
Amos 5:24
“What does God require of you but to do justice, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?” Micah 6:8
“Inasmuch as you have done it to the least of these, you have done it to me.”
Matthew 25:40.
Dr. Wright’s is an intelligent and spirited gospel that requires Christians (who are commanded to love God with all their hearts and minds) to think deeply about issues with impact far beyond “us four and no more.” Worshiping and “critical thinking,” as we call it in academia, are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they must go together.
In short, and this is the third and final point, Barbara Jordan, who, while at Boston University Law School, sat under the erudite teaching and preaching of Rev. Howard Thurman (an African-American minister who was one of the nation’s greatest preachers of the 20th century), would be clear that Rev. Wright is in good spiritual company. For he follows in the footsteps of fiery prophets before him in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not all prophets have a call to diplomatic consensus-building as did/do Barbara Jordan, Barack Obama, Andrew Young and other politicians of that ilk. Witness Jesus throwing the money changers out of the temple because they had, in His words, made the house of prayer a den of thieves – a marketplace and a currency exchange, in effect! (See Matthew 19:45-46.) Anyone who has read the gospels knows that Jesus was not politically correct, and neither were the biblical prophets and apostles who preceded or followed him.
I ask along with Jordan, who queried an audience at a race relations conference in Dayton, Ohio in 1990, “White America, what’s bugging you?” In other words, why are some so uncomfortable with the truth that Rev. Wright speaks on issues of race and politics? Has he said anything that is not true? Of course, truth often hurts, and if we are not mature enough to handle it, we lash out at the person purveying it.
As Barack Obama noted in his profound speech addressing the controversy involving Rev. Wright, race still is a huge issue that cannot be ignored in this country. Anyone who believes the playing field has been leveled in education, housing, criminal justice and other arenas is deluding himself or herself. Ask almost anyone who lives in Black skin.

Barbara Jordan, one of the most spellbinding orators in our nation’s history and one whose biography is lined with firsts, would be the first to affirm the truth of what Dr. Wright has said, although she would have packaged the material differently. Jordan’s bottom line here for Americans? “Shape up! Stop being intellectually lazy and relying on 30-second sound bites from media that thrive on sensationalism! On any given issue, do your own research and think for yourself!” It might take a little extra effort on the part of any elderly and others who are not computer savvy or who are not mobile or healthy enough to get to a library. These persons will have to rely on friends, family members and perhaps even nursing home staff to help them secure as many perspectives as possible on any given controversial issue. Since these persons constitute a major voting bloc, however, it is imperative that they make this extra effort to try to be fully rather than partially informed.
Jordan would concur with Trinity’s Pastor Moss, who told the media and Americans recently to get not just a “bite” of Trinity, but “the whole meal.” Amen,

Amen and Amen!

Brenda Eatman Aghahowa, Ph.D., D.Min., is an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ and Chairperson of the Department of English, Communications, Media Arts and Theatre at Chicago State University. Her book, Grace Under Fire: Barbara Jordan’s Rhetoric of Watergate, Patriotism, and Equality, is due out from Third World Press, Chicago, in May.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by ari
April 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

Read the parts of america and brotherhood, good insight. Even government, media plays along with their policy. There is difference but islam and islamism, the latter prescibes to special thoughts, and actions where members need to adhere to. Its partly academic and partly journalistic.
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Ari,

This is what I have been ranting about for weeks. I hope you read it and re-read it. Islamism is a truly terrifying development in the Muslim culture. The Wahabi beleif system has had about 150 years to take root. The estimates of its followers are frightening. Scholars place between 10%-20% of Muslims in the Wahabi camp.

That is an enormous pool to draw from when one seeks martyrs.

Comment by proudmale

foxy,

Why are there more black men in prison than in college?

I suppose if ‘whitey’ can’t kill off blacks by injecting them with the AIDS virus, he’ll just incarcerate them all.

Still waiting for your reply…

Comment by foxy

chicagotribune.com
Rev. Wright in a different light
By William A. Von Hoene Jr.

March 26, 2008

By William A. Von Hoene Jr.

During the last two weeks, excerpts from sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., pastor for more than 35 years at Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s South Side, have flooded the airwaves and dominated our discourse about the presidential campaign and race. Wright has been depicted as a racial extremist, or just a plain racist. A number of political figures and news commentators have attempted to use Sen. Barack Obama’s association with him to call into question Obama’s judgment and the sincerity of his commitment to unity.

I have been a member of Trinity, a church with an almost entirely African-American congregation, for more than 25 years. I am, however, a white male. From a decidedly different perspective than most Trinitarians, I have heard Wright preach about racial inequality many times, in unvarnished and passionate terms.

In Obama’s recent speech in Philadelphia on racial issues confronting our nation, the senator eloquently observed that Rev. Wright’s sermons reflect the difficult experiences and frustrations of a generation.

It is important that we understand the dynamic Obama spoke about.

It also is important that we not let media coverage and political gamesmanship isolate selected remarks by Wright to the exclusion of anything else that might define him more accurately and completely.

I find it very troubling that we have distilled Wright’s 35-year ministry to a few phrases; no context whatsoever has been offered or explored.

I do have a bit of personal context. About 26 years ago, I became engaged to my wife, an African-American. She was at that time and remains a member of Trinity. Somewhere between the ring and the altar, my wife had second thoughts and broke off the engagement. Her decision was grounded in race: So committed to black causes, the daughter of parents subjected to unthinkable prejudice over the years, an “up-and-coming” leader in the young black community, how could she marry a white man?

Rev. Wright, whom I had met only in passing at the time and who was equally if not more outspoken about “black” issues than he is today, somehow found out about my wife’s decision. He called and asked her to “drop everything” and meet with him at Trinity. He spent four hours explaining his reaction to her decision. Racial divisions were unacceptable, he said, no matter how great or prolonged the pain that caused them. God would not want us to assess or make decisions about people based on race. The world could make progress on issues of race only if people were prepared to break down barriers that were much easier to let stand.

Rev. Wright was pretty persuasive; he presided over our wedding a few months later. In the years since, I have watched in utter awe as Wright has overseen and constructed a support system for thousands in need on the South Side that is far more impressive and effective than any governmental program possibly could approach. And never in my life have I been welcomed more warmly and sincerely than at Trinity. Never.

I hope that as a nation, we take advantage of the opportunity the recent focus on Rev. Wright presents—to advance our dialogue on race in a meaningful and unprecedented way. To do so, however, we need to appreciate that passion born of difficulty does not always manifest itself in the kind of words with which we are most comfortable. We also need to recognize that the basic goodness of people like Jeremiah Wright is not always packaged conventionally.

The problems of race confronting us are immense. But if we sensationalize isolated words for political advantage, casting aside the depth of feeling, circumstances and context which inform them, those problems not only will remain immense, they will be insoluble.

William A. Von Hoene Jr. of Chicago is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ.

Comment by SANDRA

I HAVE READ EVERY STATEMENT ON THIS SITE AND IT IS SAD AND CLEAR TO ME THAT ALL THE NASTY AND DIRTY WORDS THAT WERE WRITTEN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA’S SPEECH YOU WEREN’T GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM OR LIKE HIM ANY WAY JUST BE REAL. SO GET IT ALL OUT IN THE OPEN BUT I DO KNOW NOBODY’S PERFECT AFTER ALL 8 YEARS OF BUSH AND HIS BUDDIES CAN MAKE ANY ONE BITTER YOU HAVE A LOT OF HATE AND ALL I CAN DO PRAY FOR ALL OF US .TRUST ME MY EYES DON’T HAVE BLINDERS THEM ON I DON’T IF WE WILL EVER HAVE ANOTHER BARACK IN MY LIFE TIME BUT I CAN HOPE!

[...] by Bonney Kapp The McCain campaign unloaded on Barack Obama today for his remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser last weekend, where the Democrat said “bitter” [...]

Comment by carl

This really hurts because I was the biggest Obama supporter out there in Scranton. I have donated about $2000 to the Obama campaign that I now wish I could have back. Ok, I let the comment about your grandmother slide, I saw your perspective. But this comment is too much. Religion is a symptom of a despondent, depressed America? Does Obama think he is Karl Marx? Say it isn’t so, really, say it isn’t so. I don’t believe a word you say anymore, and I will be e-mailing Mr Axelrod for a refund tonight.

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Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

chicagotribune.com
Rev. Wright in a different light
By William A. Von Hoene Jr.

March 26, 2008

By William A. Von Hoene Jr.
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Foxy,

This has been floating around for a while. Please read it VERY CAREFULLY.

The author does not rebut the accuracy of the statements and he does NOT indicate that they are unique.

He states “…I have heard Wright preach about racial inequality many times, in unvarnished and passionate terms.”

Indeed, he is essentially confirming what I saw, but he tries to side track us with a warm fuzzy personal story. He does NOT debunk the idea that most or all of Wright’s sermons follow the same path.

This follows the sermons I watched IN THEIR ENTIRETY. Wright most certainly preaches about racial inequality. In each of the sermons I watched, his message was not positive plea to move beyond and above. In each sermon it was a raging laundry list of how the white society puts down the black society, but he offered NO SOLUTIONS, just hatred.

Comment by foxy

The War on Drugs is Still a War on Blacks

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, New America Media. Posted June 27, 2007.

Recent surveys of drug habits among Americans found that blacks and whites use drugs at equal rates, yet blacks are more often prosecuted because the laws are biased against them. Tools

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The recent survey by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on the sex and drug habits of Americans is the latest to toss an ugly glare on the naked race-tainted war on drugs. The survey found that whites are much more likely to use drugs than blacks.

Other studies have found roughly equal rates of drug usage by blacks and whites. But what makes the survey more eye-catching is that it didn’t solely measure generic drug use, but singled out the use of cocaine and street drugs.

The findings fly in the face of the conventional drug war wisdom that blacks use and deal street drugs while whites use trendy, recreational designer drugs, and that these presumably include powder cocaine. That again calls into question the gaping disparity in drug sentencing between whites and blacks.

More than 70 percent of those prosecuted in federal courts for drug possession and sale (mostly small amounts of crack cocaine) and given stiff mandatory sentences are blacks. Federal prosecutors and lawmakers justify the disparity with the retort that crack cocaine is dangerous and threatening, and leads to waves of gang shoot-outs, turf battles, and thousands of terrorized residents in poor black communities. In some instances, that’s true, and police and prosecutors are right to hit back hard at the violence.

But the majority of those who deal and use crack cocaine aren’t violent prone gang members, but poor, and increasingly female, young blacks. They clearly need help not jailing.

But it’s a myth that powder cocaine is benign and has no criminal and violent taint to it. In a comprehensive survey in 2002, the Office of National Drug Control Policy, the White House’s low profile task force to combat drug use, attributed shoplifting, burglary, theft, larceny, money laundering and even the transport of undocumented workers in some cities to powdered cocaine use. It also found that powder cocaine users were more likely to commit domestic violence crimes. The report also fingered powder cocaine users as prime dealers of other drugs that included heroin, meth and crack cocaine.

Even more revealing, they sold crack cocaine and heroin in inner city neighborhoods. The top-heavy drug use by young whites — and the crime and violence that go with it — has stirred no public outcry for mass arrests, prosecutions, and tough prison sentences for white drug dealers, many of whom deal drugs that are directly linked to serious crime and violence. Whites unlucky enough to get popped for drug possession are treated with compassion, prayer sessions, expensive psychiatric counseling, treatment and rehab programs, and drug diversion programs. And they should be. But so should those blacks and other non-whites victimized by discriminatory drug laws.

Voters and legislators in California, New York, Michigan and other states now recognize that bankrupting state budgets to lock up nonviolent drug offenders won’t win the war on drugs. They have opted for drug diversion, treatment and counseling programs rather than jail as the far more effective, humane, and cost effective way to deal with drug users. This has brought some measure of sanity back to drug enforcement policy. But that doesn’t sit well with the drug warriors; they have and will continue to resist any effort to get Congress to modify or scrap the blatant and deliberate racial disparity in drug sentencing laws.

In an odd way, they have to take their hard stand. The public scapegoating of blacks for America’s drug problem during the past two decades has been relentless. A frank admission that the laws are biased and unfair, and have not done much to combat the drug plague, would be an admission of failure. It could ignite a real soul searching over whether all the billions of dollars that have been squandered in the failed and flawed drug war — the lives ruined by it, and the families torn apart by the rigid and unequal enforcement of the laws — has really accomplished anything.

This might call into question why people use and abuse drugs in the first place — and if it is really the government’s business to turn the legal screws on some drug users while turning a blind eye to others?

The greatest fallout from our failed drug policy is that it further embeds the widespread notion that the drug problem is exclusively a black problem. This makes it easy for on-the-make politicians to grab votes, garner press attention, and bloat state prison budgets to jail more black offenders, while continuing to feed the illusion that we are winning the drug war.

The CDC survey is smoking gun proof of one thing: As long as state and federal officials ruthlessly hunt for drug culprits in poor black communities, that illusion will continue to wreck lives, mostly black lives.

Comment by Pamela

April 11th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
I HAVE READ EVERY STATEMENT ON THIS SITE AND IT IS SAD AND CLEAR TO ME THAT ALL THE NASTY AND DIRTY WORDS THAT WERE WRITTEN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA’S SPEECH YOU WEREN’T GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM OR LIKE HIM ANY WAY JUST BE REAL. SO GET IT ALL OUT IN THE OPEN BUT I DO KNOW NOBODY’S PERFECT AFTER ALL 8 YEARS OF BUSH AND HIS BUDDIES CAN MAKE ANY ONE BITTER YOU HAVE A LOT OF HATE AND ALL I CAN DO PRAY FOR ALL OF US .TRUST ME MY EYES DON’T HAVE BLINDERS THEM ON I DON’T IF WE WILL EVER HAVE ANOTHER BARACK IN MY LIFE TIME BUT I CAN HOPE!
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You can look back on by post right after his speech,I was moved by the speech..I thought if anyone could bring together the white and black people what better a person who has both races within him-I most certainly was going to vote for him..totaly did a flip (I am an Republican) but like I said it was the fact he brought his girls to listen to what ever kind of preaching you want to call it…I find it to be devisive…you can teach different points without sounding so negative to a certain race….this will rub off on the young .Look at BillCosby he teachs the young and helps the young …and yet he does not blame.

Comment by foxy

I hope this answers some of your questions, Black men are more likely to be arrested then white men. There is a big difference in everything just by being black in america….

Comment by goatboy from africa

maybe whites are more discreet about their dope use!!!

Comment by proudmale

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

I hope this answers some of your questions, Black men are more likely to be arrested then white men. There is a big difference in everything just by being black in america
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Although I’m sure there are unfortunate exceptions to this rule, aren’t most people arrested because they commit crimes? Are you suggesting that a preponderance of blacks in prison are there for no reason?

Comment by foxy

Like I said black people make up only 12% of the population and 70& of our males are in prison for non-violent crimes. they will give a black man triple the time for selling crack cocaine and a white man selling equal value will get a slap on the wrist. Also, black men can’t afford good representation, and because they can’t afford a good lawyer, they are presented with the option of pleading guilty because they are told if they fight the case that often times are fabricated against them, they will face more time if they are found guilty and it is usually their word against the word of the arresting officer and the judge will usually take the word of the officer. Now when they take the plea of guilty, they are faced with a felony. They can’t get jobs because of the felony on their back and now they are forced to do what ever it takes to make ends meet. That felony on their backs labels them for the rest of their lives.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

I hope this answers some of your questions, Black men are more likely to be arrested then white men. There is a big difference in everything just by being black in america….
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Foxy,

If you really want to dig into the numbers and facts, why not present to us the figures for black on black crime and how that relates to incarceration statistics

Here is a tidbit for you.

While African Americans comprise 12% of the U.S. population, 45% of all murder victims in 2002 were African American, 91% of whom were killed by African Americans. Nationally, homicide is the leading cause of death for black men and second leading cause of death for black women ages 15-24.

Comment by goatboy from africa

not white v. black…its powder v. crack which is a stupid law

Comment by foxy

There is more to what you think goes on in black communties, I don’t think as a white person you have ever had to face being pulled over by cops just for being black, the very way a black person is confronted by cops vs. white people are entirely different.

I am a black woman, and I have watched too many times the way black young men are treated. I have watched cops lie on them, and haul them off to jail just because they don’t like the way they look or how they speak, and too be honest with you, many of the black cops are just as bad as the white ones.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Like I said black people make up only 12% of the population and 70& of our males are in prison for non-violent crimes.
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Really? Non-Violent crimes?

While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States.

Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black.

Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general.

Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.

Comment by Pamela

Comment by Andylit
April 11th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Comment by ari
April 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

Read the parts of america and brotherhood, good insight. Even government, media plays along with their policy. There is difference but islam and islamism, the latter prescibes to special thoughts, and actions where members need to adhere to. Its partly academic and partly journalistic.
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Ari,

This is what I have been ranting about for weeks. I hope you read it and re-read it. Islamism is a truly terrifying development in the Muslim culture. The Wahabi beleif system has had about 150 years to take root. The estimates of its followers are frightening. Scholars place between 10%-20% of Muslims in the Wahabi camp.

That is an enormous pool to draw from when one seeks martyrs.
*************************************************************************

ari

please please say you thought more on the radical muslims because you saw one of my many post on the subject. If not what made you look into this..just curious…glad you have.

Comment by Truth

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

I hope this answers some of your questions, Black men are more likely to be arrested then white men. There is a big difference in everything just by being black in america….
______________________________________________________________

What is your solution?

Comment by Andylit

Comment by goatboy from africa
April 11th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

not white v. black…its powder v. crack which is a stupid law
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Goatboy has it right.

The difference in penalties for rock vs powder are enormous.

I think that issue is still being appealed. I don’t recall if it hit the SCOTUS or not.

Comment by foxy

You want to know why those statistics may be true? You grow up in a community where you have no decent education, no books in the schools, teachers that don’t care, no after school programs, watching their mother and fathers struggle to make ends meet. and as you grow the frustration of knowing that you may never rise above becomes real, then you start to meet policeofficers who treat you like dogs and all the while you watch on television how well white doing so much better then you.

You can get two people one white and one black, raise them the same way and I am willing to bet you the white person will have more doors open him then the black.

Comment by ari

Andy
It is not on some footing as extremists, is more like a movement. The journalistic account is somewhat anecdotal but history and academic insight is more accurate.
“the general strategic
goal of the Group [the Muslim Brotherhood] in America” consists of six stages:
1. Establishing an effective and stable Islamic Movement led by the
Muslim Brotherhood
2. Adopting Muslims’ causes domestically and globally
3. Expanding the observant Muslim base
4. Unifying and directing Muslims’ efforts
5. Presenting Islam as a civilizational [sic] alternative
6. Supporting the establishment of the global Islamic state
wherever it is59
Akram then notes that the priority for this strategy is “Settlement.”60 This entails becoming
“rooted in the spirits and minds of [the] people” and establishing “organizations
on which the Islamic structure is built.” Akram states that Muslims should look
upon this mission as a “Civilization Jihadist responsibility,” one that “lies on the shoulders
of Muslims [but especially on those of] the Muslim Brotherhood in this country.”
Akram then clarifies exactly what the “jihad” required by this strategy entails:
The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of
grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization
from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and
the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is
made victorious over all other religions.61
Clearly, in this case jihad is not intended to be an inner, personal struggle, as is often
claimed by American Islamists when they must explain why they were caught inciting
for “jihad.” Akram also lists the stages of the Ikhwani activism in the U.S.:
1. The stage of searching for self and determining the identity.
2. The stage of inner build-up and tightening the organization.
3. The stage of mosques and the Islamic centers.
4. The stage of building the Islamic organizations—the first phase.
5. The stage of building the Islamic schools—the first phase.
6. The state of thinking about the overt Islamic movement—
the first phase.
7. The stage of openness to the other Islamic movements and attempting
to reach a formula for dealing with them—the first phase.

Comment by foxy

MSNBC IS HAVING A PROGRAM RIGHT NOW ON RACE RELATIONS, YOU SHOULD WATCH IT.

Comment by brynn (REVISED-READ THIS ONE)

This whole issue is simply a media-hyped frenzy, being propagated by two candidates who are truly out of touch with reality (HRC and J. McCain).

Obama was simply telling the truth and we all need to wake up. Obama was emphasizing the neglect of Washington toward the working class voters in Pennsylvania, and how we have all been duped into turning our attentions to things like gun rights and gay marriage, when our time would be better spent holding our elected officials accountable for the promises they make to revitalize our towns and cities when they want our votes and yet forget about it all once they’ve been elected.

The truth is, many people are really frustrated and bitter that our government IS OUT OF TOUCH with the everyday wants, desires and goals of the average American: which are to live safe, healthy, and fulfilling lives. But, how can the average working class person achieve this when their jobs are being outsourced by BIG businesses who only want to save a dime by hiring cheaper labor. Thus, there are those of us who are left to cling to our faith, things that are familiar to us and our frustrations could easily be redirected toward issues that were never the caus of our problem in the first place, such as illegal immigration, affirmative action, and homosexual rights.

Come on people, wake up and stop being duped by the top 1% of those in America who control 80% of the resources in this country.
Instead of paying attention to the real issues, they’d rather us continue to fuss over statements that were taken out of context rather than questioning the establishment which has left some disproportionately rich, and us, by comparison, woefully poor.

Comment by Pamela

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
There is more to what you think goes on in black communties, I don’t think as a white person you have ever had to face being pulled over by cops just for being black, the very way a black person is confronted by cops vs. white people are entirely different.

I am a black woman, and I have watched too many times the way black young men are treated. I have watched cops lie on them, and haul them off to jail just because they don’t like the way they look or how they speak, and too be honest with you, many of the black cops are just as bad as the white ones.

___________________________________________________________________

I believe you and I feel only a black person can know how that must feel. There are still racist out there..we need to come together not blame the whole white people in general for ignorant people such as those cops. Black young men need to listen to Bill Cosby and learn and get away from trouble …and I pray for each young man who does have to face such ugly hatred.

Comment by Indiana gun owner

Yep, we gun clinging, church going, rednecks be a-waiting for the next BIG

OBAMA SPEECH with 6 flags behind him while he explains to us small town people why we are so bitter and why we are so clingy.

Ah thank I’ll write me a song and title it..

Six Flags and a Speech

Comment by foxy

I LIVE IN A MIDDLE INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY DAUGHTER’S HIGH SCHOOL DOESN’T EVEN HAVE BOOKS, THE ONES THEY DO HAVE, THEY HAVE TO SHARE WITH THE NEXT CLASS COMING INTO ROOM. THERE ARE NO FIELD TRIPS, THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO DO AFTER SCHOOL. MOST OF THE FAMILIES IN MY COMMUNITY WORK, YET THEY CAN’T AFFORD TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR BILLS.

Comment by Andylit

Foxy,

No one is going to deny that there are still some major race related problems. However, some of the national “leaders” of the black “community” leave a whole lot to be desired.

With Sharpton, Jackson, Bond and Farrakhan as your spokesmen, I can’t imagine the racial divide healing any time soon.

They seem to thrive on division instead of healing. Indeed, their power bases are structured on the foundation of remaining unequal, then screaming about it.

As nasty as this sounds, this country would be in much better shape if James Earl Ray had popped Jackson and left Dr. King alive.

Comment by foxy

I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT IT IS UPSETTING ME JUST TO TRY TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT FAIR TO LUMP A GROUP OF PEOPLE ON WHAT STEREOTYPE YOU HEARD OR READ ABOUT. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT WE GO THROUGH, COME AND TALK TO US, OR VISIT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

Comment by Truth

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
You want to know why those statistics may be true? You grow up in a community where you have no decent education, no books in the schools, teachers that don’t care, no after school programs, watching their mother and fathers struggle to make ends meet. and as you grow the frustration of knowing that you may never rise above becomes real, then you start to meet policeofficers who treat you like dogs and all the while you watch on television how well white doing so much better then you.
You can get two people one white and one black, raise them the same way and I am willing to bet you the white person will have more doors open him then the black.
________________________________________________________________________________

Do you really think white parents don’t struggle, or that white schools don’t have teachers who don’t care, or crumbling buildings, or too few books. Blame the world but do not take individual blame.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

MSNBC IS HAVING A PROGRAM RIGHT NOW ON RACE RELATIONS, YOU SHOULD WATCH IT.
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Why? What do a bunch of rich white liberals know about race relations?

It takes folks who grew up where you and I did.

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
Comment by Truth

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT IT IS UPSETTING ME JUST TO TRY TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT FAIR TO LUMP A GROUP OF PEOPLE ON WHAT STEREOTYPE YOU HEARD OR READ ABOUT. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT WE GO THROUGH, COME AND TALK TO US, OR VISIT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
___________________________________________________________________

But you lump all white people into the same group. Have you ever been to the hills of Kentucky or West Virginia. Go talk to them ask them what they go through maybe you will quit feeling so sorry for yourself.

Comment by foxy

YOU WANT US TO BE PROUD OF A COUNTRY THAT THINK OF US AS SECOND CLASS CITIZEN, IF YOU LIVED ALL YOUR LIFE STRUGGLING AND WATCHING OTHERS ACHIEVE HAS GOT TO GET TO YOU.. HOW CAN WE BE PROUD AMERICANS WHEN WE ARE STILL STRUGGLING?

Comment by Andylit

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT IT IS UPSETTING ME JUST TO TRY TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT FAIR TO LUMP A GROUP OF PEOPLE ON WHAT STEREOTYPE YOU HEARD OR READ ABOUT. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT WE GO THROUGH, COME AND TALK TO US, OR VISIT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
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Don’t you get it? Some of us came up pretty much the same way you did. I grew up in a dirt poor mixed neighborhood in the inner city. I don’t have to VISIT. I LIVED THERE!

Comment by foxy

PLEASE TUNE INTO MSNBC!!!!

Comment by RC MO.

Foxy, White people sell lots of drugs. Most of which they never touch. Crime organizations run like any large corporation. There is a chain of command. Whites normal handle powder cocaine which carries with it a shorter sentence than rock. Blacks are usually at the bottom of that ladder after the coke has been further refined. Whites are safer and more secretive in there dealings. Blacks stand out in the open and sell to anyone. It doesn`t even matter if they know them or not. From the general intellect of the crimminal, it would stand to reason that more blacks would get arrested than whites. They all get busted eventually, but just like in any business there are always more hourly employees than salaried. The day to day street dealer is the most visible, and therefore, the most arrested. thats not anyones fault except the guy selling dope. They know the risk, they choose the lifestyle, and they get what they deserve. no pitty here.

Comment by foxy

YOU MAY LIVED THERE, BUT YOUR FACE IS WHITE, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER US.

Comment by goatboy from africa

goatboy has a black neighbor who grew up in dallas ghetto gangbanging…how come he owns a house in a middle class neighboorhood? because he works his a$$ off and thanks god everyday for the opportunity

Comment by ari

Andy
Am not sure if it was you or came by accident while searching for news, or what trickered it…. Its still a journal, and how accurate it is I don’t know, but that movement exist and financed through Saudi Arabia says a lot of their actions and intentions in US and elsewhere. Need to find to scholarly article that collaborate thse findings. Anyway sure you like to have to receive a thank you note, but lets say am still in reserve and found the details myself. But some are disturbing facts, granted. Have to be careful otherwise your ego goes to the roof.

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN

Foxy, Quit felling sorry for yourself ! Every American has the same opportunity in life. With that poor me attitude you will achieve , nothing!

Comment by RC MO.

Gaotboy, I always thought you lived on the African plains, in a tent, with goats. Oh and a satallite dish.

Comment by Pamela

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
YOU WANT US TO BE PROUD OF A COUNTRY THAT THINK OF US AS SECOND CLASS CITIZEN, IF YOU LIVED ALL YOUR LIFE STRUGGLING AND WATCHING OTHERS ACHIEVE HAS GOT TO GET TO YOU.. HOW CAN WE BE PROUD AMERICANS WHEN WE ARE STILL STRUGGLING
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when I was real young I rememeber my mom bought powdered milk because it was cheaper then regular milk and having to eat many many a spam sandwich because that is all we could afford-not saying others do not or did not have it worse then that- I am sure, sadly, there are worse stories of being poor…I think the key is to get an education…go to a trade school…read and learn..not sure what the exact answer is…but all the promises politician tell isn’t it.

Comment by goatboy from africa

goatboy said neighbor from dallas, not goatboy…middle class african plains is tent with goats

Comment by foxy

ANYTIME WE TELL THE TRUTH, YOU TRY TO COVER UP THE REAL ISSUE WITH STOP FEELING SORRY FOR OURSELVES. I GUESS YOU WILL NEVER GET IT AND QUITE FRANKLY I DON’T THINK YOU ARE WORTH MY TIME TRYING TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND.

JUST REMEMBER, THIS TOO SHALL PASS!!!

GOODNIGHT ALL AND GOD BLESS!!!

Comment by proudmale

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

“I LIVE IN A MIDDLE INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD…”

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

“YOU WANT US TO BE PROUD OF A COUNTRY THAT THINK OF US AS SECOND CLASS CITIZEN, IF YOU LIVED ALL YOUR LIFE STRUGGLING AND WATCHING OTHERS ACHIEVE HAS GOT TO GET TO YOU.. HOW CAN WE BE PROUD AMERICANS WHEN WE ARE STILL STRUGGLING?”

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The fact that you live in a middle class neighborhood means you have a share of the American (white and black) Dream - Be grateful, not hateful!

Comment by Truth

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
YOU MAY LIVED THERE, BUT YOUR FACE IS WHITE, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER US.
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You can not see beyond your color. I feel so sorry that you cannot see how we are more the same than different.

Comment by Andylit

Comment by ari
April 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

Andy
It is not on some footing as extremists, is more like a movement. The journalistic account is somewhat anecdotal but history and academic insight is more accurate.
————————————–

Ari,

The manifesto can be…deceiving.

Here is an interesting exercise for you. Dig out the Constitution of the old Soviet Union. Read the rights of the citizens http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/77cons02.html#chap07

Looks pretty benign. Much nicer than the US Constitution.

My point is simple. We both read a lot and dig for knowledge. But the written word is just words. How it is handled by humans in real life situations is the crux of the biscuit.

A note. Iran recently test fired another Shehab-3 missile. It has nothing to do with a nuclear weapons program. It is part of their peaceful civilian space program.

Iran is adding 6000 centrifuges for their peaceful civilian nuclear energy research program. It has nothing to do with a weapons program.

There comes a point where you must pull your head out of the books and look at the reality.

Even the Russians are getting nervous about Iran.

Comment by Pamela

April 11th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Andy
Am not sure if it was you or came by accident while searching for news, or what trickered it…. Its still a journal, and how accurate it is I don’t know, but that movement exist and financed through Saudi Arabia says a lot of their actions and intentions in US and elsewhere. Need to find to scholarly article that collaborate thse findings. Anyway sure you like to have to receive a thank you note, but lets say am still in reserve and found the details myself. But some are disturbing facts, granted. Have to be careful otherwise your ego goes to the roof.
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ari

it was me who asked why you looked into it..may have looked like andy from the way it was posted k..just glad you looked into it :)

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Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

YOU MAY LIVED THERE, BUT YOUR FACE IS WHITE, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER US.
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If you allow that thought to rule your life, it becomes self fulfilling.

You need to stop listening to Sharpton and start listening to people like JC Watts.

Comment by RC MO.

Goatboy, I feel much better now. My whole mental image was blown. That would have taken the comedy out of your comments.

Comment by Pamela

Good night foxy..God bless you :)

Comment by Andylit

Comment by ari
April 11th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

Need to find to scholarly article that collaborate thse findings.
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And there lies your doom. “Scholarly” articles are wonderful, if you want to learn about particle physics or paleontology.

When dealing with humans and their works, you are better served by finding articles written by those who have done, and been, and seen, and lived it.

Professors, as a rule, spend much of their time with their heads firmly inserted in their rears.

The best professor I ever sat in a class with was a Mid East Pol Sci class in UW Madison. He was a Coptic Christian from Syria. Our first day, he stood up and asked the Jews, Christians and Muslims in the room to stand and ID.

He then proceed to read them chapter and verse about how they didn’t know dick about the middle east and that he would not tolerate any political or religious crap from anyone.

And he was right. None of us, even the guys from the Mid East, had a clue about the political structure and religious interactions. They knew a little about where they lived and a whole lot of crap fed to them by whoever was doing the local feeding.

He taught us to use our eyes, ears and brains, and to use the text books and articles as example of biased writing designed to fit a political agenda.

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Comment by goatboy from africa
April 11th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

goatboy said neighbor from dallas, not goatboy…middle class african plains is tent with goats
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In the tent, or near the tent?

Comment by ari

Follow the story in Iran, just some satelite pics and nothing conclusive, and yes indeed space-rogram and missils technology is quite simlair. Same for nuclear program, all started with a laptop, but US could’t proof where info came from or was accurate, it could have been planted by adversaries og government. Furthermore inspections, and diplomaticly further arrangements. On broader terms nuclear is defensive, and Pakistan and India have it too, am not convinced why they are not allowed if they wished that kind of action. Think still a long way off, likewise long range missils thye dont have the accurate technology. Missils and space program one needs both to track from satelittes. If they have the technology at a certain point they will probably use it, and bombing it won’t help since it only will delay actual production.

One more point of dog and pony show of hearings. Found it always amazed you take things on facevalue when it fits your story but there is always a story behind it.

Sen.kennedy asked Patraeus and Crocker question if Cheney was present in discussions when Basra was planned. They both looked startled, body language says a lot. Anyway, of course in my view and other more reputable analysts it is clear that operation was a joint affair. US military is embedded in Iraqi army, its logic. Plus Cheney and McCain were days before attack in Baghdad, seems this should be a defining moment. So Maliki got his instructions, only it did not work out. So when a military plan fails, there is a blame game, so special forces got invented.
Iran supports almost every shia party so seems crazy why get some new special forces.

Comment by SrKathleen

Let’s try and do something besides being a bunch of sheep led around whatever trivia the press wants us to pay attention to.

Let’s try and get govt and academia to cut ties with Bush & Dick and their neocon cronies so they leave very little stink of their legacy behind.

I know Doug Feith is teaching in the school of foreign service at Georgetown now–and he doesn’t even have a degree in foreign service, he went to law school there.

And John “Torture Memo” Yoo is corrupting the minds of the young in law school at Cal Berkeley.

If anyone would care to join me and many others, including the National Lawyers Guild, in asking the U Cal Berkeley school of law (Boalt Hall) to remove John Yoo, Bush administration “torture memo” author, from its faculty where he has been teaching –amazingly!–constitutional law for the last 3 or so years, please call or address your emails to the Dean and associate deans at the addresses below.
Thank you.

Christopher Edley, Jr.
Dean; Professor of Law
edley@law.berkeley.edu

Stephen McG. Bundy ‘78
Associate Dean; Professor of Law
436 Boalt Hall (North Addition)
Tel: 510-642-1970
Fax: 510-643-2673
bundys@law.berkeley.edu

Richard M. Buxbaum ‘53
Associate Dean, J.D. Program; Jackson H. Ralston Professor of International Law
888 Simon Hall
Tel: 510-642-1771
Fax: 510-642-3728
bux@law.berkeley.edu

Howard A. Shelanski ‘92
Associate Dean, J.D. Program; Professor of Law; Director, Berkeley Center for Law & Technology
Tel: 510-643-2743
Fax: 510-642-3767
334 Boalt Hall (North Addition)
shelanski@law.berkeley.edu

Jonathon Simon
Associate Dean, Jurisprudence and Social Policy Program; Professor of Law
510-643-5169, Fax: 510-643-2673
JSP Building
jsimon@law.berkeley.edu

Stephen Sugarman
Associate Dean, J.D. Program; Agnes Roddy Robb Professor of Law
510-642-3856
327 Boalt Hall (North Addition)
sugarman@law.berkeley.edu

Comment by John

Hey Doug, LOU DOBBS said it not CNN. Lou is the only person on CNN that I watch. Anderson is “in love” with Obama and Jack is the worst Clinton hater around!

Comment by Andylit

Ari,

Stop with the conspiracy stuff. One of your favorite sources confirms that Iran confirmed the launch.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7230396.stm

Comment by Andylit

And with that, it’s oof to bed.

Nitey nite folks.

Comment by RC MO.

John, Glenn Beck seems to hold his ground pretty well. Your right about Cafferty, I think he is on the Obama payroll.

Comment by itzmeok

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when a US Senator, who is running for the highest office in the United States, constantly needs an interpreter (usually some staff spokesperson) to convey to the citizens (from whom he wishes to gain support) what he really means when he speaks. *rolleyes*

He and his wife are COMPLETELY out of touch with the average American citizen and I simply can’t vote for someone who doesn’t reasonably understand what his constituents need, let alone how to go about getting it for them.

Comment by my opion

what the heck does obamas comment have to do with race, or did some one change the suject. people need to to start taking resonsability for there own lives and stop blaming others.obama will not win the election , the truth is comeing out about him.all the blogs on cnn are for obama and they say they are bitter and pissed off at the goverment.i guess birds of a feather stick to gether.

Comment by Hillary All the Way

“To which Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor says in a statement: “Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections…”

Oh you mean they say anything as in ‘things’ like the truth? they quote Obama’s exact words in fact, so I guess what Obama is saying is just any old thing then too huh? his own words they are saying? I think it is getting quite obvious who is the one saying anything to get elected, and using that tired old line of defense, this weak and feeble attempt to defend Obama every time, EVERY single time someone calls Obama on his own, often weird and out of touch insults towards people is getting tired and old. The record is what is, Obama cannot run from his own foul words, mocking group after group of Americans……he hates white Americans, he hates small town Americans, he is condescending to women, he obviously doesn’t connect with Hispanics as they are all voting for Hillary, his wife was never ‘proud to be an American’ as evidenced by her very own words, and why are people still supporting this jerk? Hillary Clinton is the one to represent this country, she cares, she knows and she is for REAL.

The Democrats have managed to suicide once again, good job dummies!

Hillary PLEASE run as an Independent in November if you don’t get the Dem nomination!!!

Comment by Scared of Obama

Obama made the comment about the blue collar PA folks because the folks probably told him to get the hell out of their town or they’d shoot him in the ass and he’d see Jesus. That’s where he got the guns and religion part.

Comment by Tammy

Comment by Scared of Obama
April 12th, 2008 at 12:40 am
Obama made the comment about the blue collar PA folks because the folks probably told him to get the hell out of their town or they’d shoot him in the ass and he’d see Jesus. That’s where he got the guns and religion part.

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That’s hilarious LOL
Obama supporters you might want to get the vaseline because your getting F***

Comment by Tammy

ROTFLMAO and splitting a gut

Comment by bk

Oh God I hope this doesn’t mean Obama is going to give another speech so CNN can brag about it being so wonderful. He will spin it so it looks like its everyone elses fault but his.

Comment by Tammy
Comment by bk

Scared of Obama- I’m laughing so hard I can’t hardly see my computer screen.

Comment by Tammy

Next month lets hope Obama is singing Jailhouse Rock with Resko

Comment by Proud Small Town Girl

For those that are saying his words were taken out of context are true Obama followers. I am from a small town and did not like what he said at all. For this ass_hole to get with alot of rich people and talk about people that are less fortunate, and how they turn to God makes me very BITTER. He has no right to talk down on anyone. But what can i say, i’m just a bitter typical white small town girl .

Comment by Tel...

Of course Obama’s going to defend his remarks, he’s on record at this point. To apologise is to not only admit elitism and no empathy with his voting base…his judgment will be questioned again.

His judgment and credibility are already in serious question. He can’t back out of it. He’ll spin it like he spun the Wright debacle away from the real issue…which was judgement… and into an appeal to guilt and emotions…race. He’ll divert with another appeal on this one. This guy works from a play book.

Watch and see….he’ll have a prepared speech for this one in about 48 hours.

I honestly believe if these remarks of his get air time…he’s done for. The large part of the Democrat voting base is what he just took a shot at.

Comment by An American in Canada

Does anyone know if BET owns CNN?

Observation about CNN staff.

All the gay guys on CNN are in love with Obama, do the gays recognize something in Obama.

Cafferty is an admitted alcoholic who probably hated his mother and that is why he is so Anti-

Hillary that misogynist bas***d

All the blacks on CNN support Obama and Obama has his own personal spokesperson in the

name of Roland Martin his associate from Chicago.

Comment by Tammy

Comment by An American in Canada

do the gays recognize something in Obama. Maybe we should ask Larry Sinclair.

Comment by Sam for Houston

Obama is good. He’s already struck back and make Hillary and McCain look like fools.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

Comment by An American in Canada

Comment by Tel…
April 12th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Of course Obama’s going to defend his remarks, he’s on record at this point. To apologise is to not only admit elitism and no empathy with his voting base…his judgment will be questioned again.

His judgment and credibility are already in serious question. He can’t back out of it. He’ll spin it like he spun the Wright debacle away from the real issue…which was judgement… and into an appeal to guilt and emotions…race. He’ll divert with another appeal on this one. This guy works from a play book.

Watch and see….he’ll have a prepared speech for this one in about 48 hours.

I honestly believe if these remarks of his get air time…he’s done for. The large part of the Democrat voting base is what he just took a shot at.

TEL, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU AND IT IS GOOD TO END MY EVENING WITH A SOLID

STATEMENT FROM A BLOGGER LIKE YOU!!!!!!!

Comment by Kikz

Substance Abuse
A widely forwarded e-mail claims that Obama’s bills are more substantive and numerous than Clinton’s. Don’t believe it.

Obama’s Oil Spill
Obama says he doesn’t take money from oil companies. We say that’s a little too slick.

Barack Hussien Obama
Wright
Rezko
Farrakhan
William Ayers
Black Phanther
Malcolm X

They are the same kind or type of people.
It is up to you now to decide what is best for our country.

“Birds of the same feathers flock together.”
“Tell me your friends are, and I tell you who you are.”

What a scary thought ahead for our country…
Think people… think…

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_oil_spill.html

Comment by John Bangert

Everytime he opens his mouth, he needs to deploy his cleanup troopers. Commander in Chief? Sorry, snooty little monkey, get back in your Senate cage.

Comment by John

Comment by Sam for Houston
April 12th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Obama is good. He’s already struck back and make Hillary and McCain look like fools.

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AGAIN, IT’S JUST TALK AND SPEECH. NO SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS ON HOW IS HE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS! THOSE THAT HE HAVE, HE COPIED FROM HILLARY!

WAKE UP YOU OBAMA-GOONS!

Comment by henry b.

man oh man, i never knew that white people were so sensitive to every thing that comes out of a black person’s mouth. As I sit here reading these blogs, I reminded by the sermon rev. wright preached entitled” confusing god with the government” Your alliegence is to the usa before it is to god. How sad!!!!!

Comment by indy in iowa

Comment by Tel…
April 12th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Of course Obama’s going to defend his remarks, he’s on record at this point. To apologise is to not only admit elitism and no empathy with his voting base…his judgment will be questioned again.

His judgment and credibility are already in serious question. He can’t back out of it. He’ll spin it like he spun the Wright debacle away from the real issue…which was judgement… and into an appeal to guilt and emotions…race. He’ll divert with another appeal on this one. This guy works from a play book.

Watch and see….he’ll have a prepared speech for this one in about 48 hours.

I honestly believe if these remarks of his get air time…he’s done for. The large part of the Democrat voting base is what he just took a shot at.

He never really spun the Wright issue to my satisfaction. He never told me what statements from wright he disagreed with. My sis lives in PA and was an Obama supporter, however she isn’t now. You can’t call someone a redneck and expect to get their vote. The truth of the matter is that Obama does not care for the Democratic base, he is a left liberal that pandered to the democratic base and now that he thinks he has the whole thing wrapped up he is showing his true colors.

Personally I think he did this on purpose, he is coming up on the GE and knew that his stance on gun control and abortion will get him in trouble with some people so he came out on the offense, now if you aren’t voting for him on the issues of gun control, abortion or gay marriage he can just say you are one of the millions of bitter red necks and write us off.

He thinks he can shame the Democratic base by saying if you don’t vote for me because of social issues then you are just a dumb red neck. Well I am more Jeffersonian in my thoughts but if obama wants to think of me as a dumb red neck because I own guns and believe in a God that is kind and loving and a source of inspiration, then so be it!!!

At least this dumb red neck does not have to go to church and hear hate filled racist remarks, can admit that I have loved my country my whole life ( so much so that I served in the military for 7 years) and that my vote counts just as much as one of Obama’s liberal elitist friends in San Fran

Comment by henry b.

comment by Pamela
April 11th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
YOU WANT US TO BE PROUD OF A COUNTRY THAT THINK OF US AS SECOND CLASS CITIZEN, IF YOU LIVED ALL YOUR LIFE STRUGGLING AND WATCHING OTHERS ACHIEVE HAS GOT TO GET TO YOU.. HOW CAN WE BE PROUD AMERICANS WHEN WE ARE STILL STRUGGLING
when I was real young I rememeber my mom bought powdered milk because it was cheaper then regular milk and having to eat many many a spam sandwich because that is all we could afford-not saying others do not or did not have it worse then that- I am sure, sadly, there are worse stories of being poor…I think the key is to get an education…go to a trade school…read and learn..not sure what the exact answer is…but all the promises politician tell isn’t it.
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I was watching a program last night when on the show stated that black people know how to get around in the black world and the white world, but white people have yet to try to understand the black world. I guess he was telling the truth, because he said that it is harder for a black man with a degree to get a job vs. a white man fresh out of prison.

Comment by henry b.

Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I guess the truth speaks for itself. The hatred shown in this blog is what Obama is talking about. You all haters, why is so hard for your all to accept the truth? Why do you think you are so bent on not voting for Obama when he is the best qualified one unless it is b/s of your prejudice and bittereness or for your being so racist? Just try to think for once without the hatred of all people who are not just like you.

Comment by Truth

Comment by henry b.
April 12th, 2008 at 6:47 am
Comment by Mulu
April 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I guess the truth speaks for itself. The hatred shown in this blog is what Obama is talking about. You all haters, why is so hard for your all to accept the truth? Why do you think you are so bent on not voting for Obama when he is the best qualified one unless it is b/s of your prejudice and bittereness or for your being so racist? Just try to think for once without the hatred of all people who are not just like you.
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Why is he the most qualified?

Comment by Lach in PA

Obama Clarifies: His “Typical White American” Statement

“Typical White American” = Unfriendly, Gun toting, Racist, Bigot, Delusional, Religious Zealot,
and although not required but preferably a Native of Pennsylvania.

Comment by W.HUBBEL

I don’t see what wrong in saying this statement “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations” it the TRUTH. People are bitter against the government and the big corp. and rightfully so. When there jobs are ship overseas…I know i was when I got laid off from job. So i felt back to what I know my religion and prayed for strength and direction…the media is nick picking…

Comment by W.HUBBEL

He’s not “talking down” to you. Nor is he blaming everyone else for your problems. He is simply telling the truth.
The government has let the American people down at every turn.
Yes, he could run around and say what’s great about everyone and maybe score a few votes, but do you really want someone for president that will sugar-coat everything? Oh wait, I almost forgot, we’ve ALREADY had that for almost 8 years now.
The American people let themselves down once they started caring more about American Idol than the presidential election.
Wake up to the real issues, stop letting yourselves get lied to and taken advantage of. A better society comes from better Government, and better Goverment comes from the people DEMANDING better of their Government.
We are angry, we are bitter, and we have every right to be. Now we have the chance to do something about it.

Comment by Valerie Roundtree

Thanks to senator Obama for being real enough to see the heart of the people and address the the truth of the matter. Anyone that thinks and says out loud that he is out of touch with the people are really IGNORING the people.

What is the real agenda ( AS IF WE DON’T KNOW)?

Comment by EJ

Did you notice how many times in this speech Obama referred to the “black man”, either himself or others. He even stated something about people asking why they should vote for a “black man”. If Senators Clinton or McCain had made a statement like that, it would be all over the news for months. NOW WHO IS PLAYING the race card. OF course, he has always done that and always stated that someone is playing the race card if there’s anything in their speech that can even remotely be construed as racists, even by the most paranoid black person. I hope people wake up and realize that HIS CAMP is the one trying to throw out the race card ever chance they get and then try to say someone else did it. HE’s A FRAUD, A SHAMELESS PERSON WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET THE NOMINATION - WAKE UP AMERICA - Kick him to the curb like he did his “typical white woman” grandmother.

Comment by EJ

Truth - How can you call yourself truth??? You should be calling your self dillusional if you believe Obama is the most qualified. I would never vote for someone who I feel has no morals or patriotism. He has proved what he is. I am not voting for him “because he’s black” as some like to say, but there are millions who ARE voting for him because he’s black. They admit it. Even some of the black super delegates are trying to intimidate other black super delegates by tell them ….” how could you NOT vote for a brother”. This has become so racial and it’s your candidate who has made it that way. Get real, take a couple of aspirins and you’ll see the light tomorrow.

Comment by Truth

Comment by EJ
April 12th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Truth - How can you call yourself truth???
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I did not call him most qualified. If you go back you wil see I was asking Henry why he thought Obama was most qualified.

Comment by Bill

Hi All

More and more it seems barack is a racist. What do you guys think?

I mean he says people in pennsylvania CLING to guns and religion and anit-immigrant stances

because they are frustrated?????

This is in the same vein as ‘typical white person” ” proud of america for 1st time” etc.

Who will barack put in his cabinet when he is elected pres? Rev Wright like minded people?

Comment by molly

GO HILLARY !!
Obama is ARROGANT!!!! - So is his wife & the Obama campaign!
How dare they think they are getting the “college rich white and all black votes” - what about the middle American???? He will not win on the rich & black votes alone - he will need all of
AMRICANS!!

Comment by Bill

barack says he is only one to unite america

This is what barack said to bring us together

pennsylvanians cling to guns and religion and are anti immigrant because they are frustrated

even my grandmother is just a typical white person

I am friendly with William Ayers

Comment by Bill

oh yes

and read baracks book

barack calls white people crackers

that is his way to unite and bring america together

Comment by Bill

why is it?

i see a nice black kid on TV with a shirt that says Black America and he is being elevated and

legitimized by a reporter letting him expouse his belief in black america

and if a white person has a shirt saying white america he would be demonized, fired from his job

and arrested

Why is America this way???

Comment by Bill

barack

people do not cling to guns or religion because they are frustrated

yes i believe barack, you are out of touch

Comment by Bill

barack

contrary to what you think in your head

people do not cling to guns because they are frustrated

people do not cling to religion because they are frustrated

america was founded on a person being able to freely follow their own religion

Barack do you know anything about american people???

yes i believe barack, you are out of touch

Comment by Bill

It is very clear

obama is not a typical black person

obama is a racist person

[...] Ind — Barack Obama didn’t back off his argument that blue collar, small town Pennsylvanians are bitter over their economic lot in life — but [...]

[...] Obama didn’t back off his argument that blue collar, small town Pennsylvanians are bitter over their economic lot in life — but [...]

Comment by Bill

barack says people in small towns cling to religion and guns because they are unhappy with

there lives?????

Is barack for real? is he back into his drugs?

Comment by anon

Bam tells it like it is. Hil twists the truth.
McCain is out of it. Repugnicans ain’t gonna
win. No way.

Bam’s got the WH already won.

Repugnicans will get bitter, they’ll will
cling to their guns, to their irreligion, they’ll
start hating people, the immigrants and those
who are not crazy enough like them. Thier
loss will only make them more and more
Repugnican.

[...] an interview with the Winston Salem Journal today, Obama stuck by the essence of his case, saying “the underlying truth of what I said remains, which is simply that people who have [...]

Comment by Bob Koop

I just read Obama’s statement and for someone so “articulate” it was the most confounded speaking I ever tried to decifer. The only clear statement was his hit on guns, religion, and fear of illegals as a consequence of job losses. He should have just said “why don’t you folks pull your self up by your bootstraps, get some more education, and move yourselves onto better things. Nope … he promised more government programs!

Comment by henry b.

you people are sick. i don’t know why anyone would even want to be president, I am tired of you people being so sensitive over everything

Comment by Bob

Anyone who can’t see how offensive Obama’s comments were is just as blind and clueless as he is. The man has no idea how to relate to average Americans.

Comment by Jeff X

Henry,

obama the elitist intellectual just called half of America stupid “crackers” and figured they were too stupid to figure it out…guess what..they did.

Sorry white America can’t be as thick skinned as black America today when it comes to racial/ethnic slurs today Black America never goes running to Jackson or Sharpton for another media circus.

Comment by Jeff X

dang..typos..need coffee

Comment by Jeff X

Comment by anon
April 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

Bam tells it like it is. Hil twists the truth.
McCain is out of it. Repugnicans ain’t gonna
win. No way.

Bam’s got the WH already won.

Repugnicans will get bitter, they’ll will
cling to their guns, to their irreligion, they’ll
start hating people, the immigrants and those
who are not crazy enough like them. Thier
loss will only make them more and more
Repugnican.
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Anon, either welcome to our country, or are you about to graduate from Americas public high schools?

Geez..I know I have typos..but this guy must be drunk.

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
Comment by anon

Vote for Bam or go back to Europe.

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